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Re: NHRA screws the little guy once more
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12/18/09 09:30 PM
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The indexes have been soft for years.They should have lowered them .50 last year.Anyone who had a car that could only run .30 under wasn't that competitive anyway.What really needs to be done is a overhaul of all the classes and the indexes,but there's no way that NHRA has the time or manpower to do so.
Besides....once the eliminations start,you are bracket racing anyway.
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Re: NHRA screws the little guy once more
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12/18/09 09:56 PM
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I have always admired the guys with the seeds and smarts to compete in Stock and Superstock. I cannot imagine where you could spend more and work harder for less payout than these two classes. O.K. , competition eliminator.  The " little guy " is there to pay membership for NHRA ............ nothing more. And the Stock / Superstock classes are the red headed step children of national events until September.......where one class gets some well deserved attention. But they are the only game in town for a lot of us. They have done an awful lot for the sport for a long time , but I kind of feel like their " roots " racers are now an afterthought.
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Re: NHRA screws the little guy once more
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12/18/09 10:07 PM
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As said before, anyone who could only go .3 under was a doorstop anyway. You have to run at least .5 under to win class, even if you're the only one in it.
My buddy with the Slant Diplomat could only run about .4 under when he started. He lobbied the NHRA and got some horsepower taken away, and then went to work. He now holds the V/SA National record at 1.27 under, and passed teardown with ease.
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Re: NHRA screws the little guy once more
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12/18/09 11:50 PM
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I'm not surprised a lot of you guys don't understand that there a bunch of younger racers or those without a bunch of money who don't run that far under the index, but enjoy racing at divisionals at the like. All NHRA has done is raise the cost of entry into an already expensive sport.
And its plain ignorant in my opinion to say that you're a door stop, or that you didn't belong if you can't run a second under the index. Apparently no one knows who Jody Lang is, even though he led both stock and super stock points this season and finished top 5 in both nationally. Having a slow car might not win you class, who cares, its just a wally. Eliminations are where its at and what all the real racers are there for. The purse itself might not be large, but factor in contingency payouts and everything, and you can easily win 10K plus if you know what your doing.
Like I said, I don't expect you guys with multiple racecars, toterhomes, stackers and such to understand where a little guy like me is coming from. I guess I'm just a wannabe door stop who doesn't belong.
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Re: NHRA screws the little guy once more
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12/19/09 12:15 AM
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just look at Indy this year. You had to run, what 1.27 sec under index, just to make the big show. 
It was 1.002 ...... but that's irrelevant.
Oh yeah, you're right. Was it that much under for #1 Q? or maybe my old buddy went that far under in stock. Oh well, its been 3 1/2 months, I'm lucky to remember last week. I can remember what happened when I was 5 years old though, Ha Ha.
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Re: NHRA screws the little guy once more
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12/19/09 02:10 AM
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Years ago, in the 60's and 70's a 'little guy' could get into NHRA Stock for a reasonable amount of cash, but those days are long gone. For whatever reason, the rules have continually been allowed to be relaxed further and further until you have today's 9 second stockers that in the early 70's could have been competitive in very early Pro Stock.
Add to that the scarcity of the parts to create a legal stocker and you have what amounts to a rolling old car show.
If we could dial back the rules to say 1980 you might have a shot; otherwise, prepare to have a big wallet and serious amounts of spare time to test and tune a combination. Otherwise, just go bracket racing...
I disagree. You do not have to spend loads of money to run in Stock Eliminator. There are quite a few Mopar combinations that almost anyone could build new or buy used for as little as $1500. Now, am I talking about 9 second AA/SA cars, of course not. Just look thru the class guides, there are 45+ years of cars and over 50 classes to choose from. Stop listening to all the naysayers, if you really want to go Stock Eliminator racing, like the Nike add, Just do it! Mark
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Re: NHRA screws the little guy once more
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12/19/09 03:04 AM
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The Stock/Super Stock game has gotten ridiculous over the last 20 years, that is a fact! I built my current car in the mid-80s, had hopes and dreams like most of at least 'being competitive', but that's gotten to be REAL expensive, I don't care what car combo or class you try to compete in. Admittedly, I did make a poor choice on my combination, not because it wasn't one that could be competitive, it just cost way more then I originally figured. Nonetheless, class racing ain't cheap brother! Like Dustin stated, I own a glorified bracket car, but not for long. It's for sale but I ain't giving it away...but it sure is pretty! Hahaha...I just can't take life that seriously *anymore*
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Re: NHRA screws the little guy once more
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12/19/09 03:06 AM
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Years ago, in the 60's and 70's a 'little guy' could get into NHRA Stock for a reasonable amount of cash, but those days are long gone. For whatever reason, the rules have continually been allowed to be relaxed further and further until you have today's 9 second stockers that in the early 70's could have been competitive in very early Pro Stock.
Add to that the scarcity of the parts to create a legal stocker and you have what amounts to a rolling old car show.
If we could dial back the rules to say 1980 you might have a shot; otherwise, prepare to have a big wallet and serious amounts of spare time to test and tune a combination. Otherwise, just go bracket racing...
I disagree. You do not have to spend loads of money to run in Stock Eliminator. There are quite a few Mopar combinations that almost anyone could build new or buy used for as little as $1500. Now, am I talking about 9 second AA/SA cars, of course not. Just look thru the class guides, there are 45+ years of cars and over 50 classes to choose from. Stop listening to all the naysayers, if you really want to go Stock Eliminator racing, like the Nike add, Just do it! Mark
I disagree. Between the age of the cars, scarcity of legal parts, trick parts now allowed in "stock" classes and the amount of running around the country chasing points, the average guy, even one with a few bucks has ahard time making it. Think I'm kidding? Try finding a GOOD class legal carb for say, SS/L? As I recall it's a 395cfm Holley carb that was used only a few years. Do you REALLY think AutoZone has one on the shelf? The new Stock & SS cars (Challenger, CobraJet) are 100k racecars that run anywhere from low10s to high8s and that's if you can find one to buy, build & maintain the support! I know of more than one big-time racer/engine builder that have passed on these cars simply because they're too expensive---and this is coming from people in the industry!
What's needed is a racing organization that can rewsurrect rules from the 70s, perhaps early 80s and run the Stock & SS cars like they should. The attitude of "if you wanna play, you gotta pay" or "if you're really serious you'll find a way" does nothing to promote our sport, bring in new, younger, fresher blood and only alienates those already in it that are still trying to be competitive--and in this day & age of "dollar squeezing" and "Big Brother" waching everything that everyone is doing, can we really afford to push our luck by ignoring our supporters? Sooner or later thay'll simply walk away....
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Re: NHRA screws the little guy once more
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12/19/09 03:36 AM
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I'm not surprised a lot of you guys don't understand that there a bunch of younger racers or those without a bunch of money who don't run that far under the index, but enjoy racing at divisionals at the like. All NHRA has done is raise the cost of entry into an already expensive sport.
And its plain ignorant in my opinion to say that you're a door stop, or that you didn't belong if you can't run a second under the index. Apparently no one knows who Jody Lang is, even though he led both stock and super stock points this season and finished top 5 in both nationally. Having a slow car might not win you class, who cares, its just a wally. Eliminations are where its at and what all the real racers are there for. The purse itself might not be large, but factor in contingency payouts and everything, and you can easily win 10K plus if you know what your doing.
Like I said, I don't expect you guys with multiple racecars, toterhomes, stackers and such to understand where a little guy like me is coming from. I guess I'm just a wannabe door stop who doesn't belong.
Well said! If not for so called door stops there would only be a dozen or so cars at divisional races and a couple dozen at a national race.Try to build a LEAGAL class car on a budget and you would probably rethink your door stop comment.SS/JA car for sale (maybe)
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