My head hurts.

Hey ErikR,

Thank for the heads up on the bogus B5 conv - a sister car in ways to Nigel's uncle's old BP27 B5.

You have a 1970 'Cuda with a 383, is it auto or manual and with or w/o a/c. do you mind sharing what your engine code and carb code on BCS? Is there an HP stamped next to a correct model year (F)and engine size on its pad near distributor hole? Thanks bro!

I'm not sure what Furyman is saying about the E86 and E63 and orange paint. If it was a joke...I missed it. But I will laugh if I ever do get it. The only reason I brought the 440 into the discussion was its lettering system to aid in VIN id as well as a possible engine id. for 383 and is easier to understand then the 383, since the M and the E62 were excluded for a reason that is beyond me .

We were discussing the 383 4bbl and its oranage paint to help us identify in one of a few different ways if it is a genuine HP engine in '70. Having an HP stamp is another obvious identifier. JDRoadRunner here said '69 & '70 engines weren't stamped HP. Is he correct?

I think we can now safely believe that the 383 330 motor is not marked HP and is painted blue and was the standard motor when you ordered a 4 bbl with a/c whether 4 speed or automatic! I'm glad I have a 4 speed BH29P9 with A/C. I know which 340 it has! It's turquoise but so are the 340 non A/C cars. Hey! Maybe all the 69 340's are the same whether a/c or not? Which brings back the question why did the engineers feel that the 383 a/c cars should be 330 HP? They didn't put a 350 HP 440 CID in a GTX with air?

RoadRunnerJD - you may have a hard time convincing Dogpro he doesn't have an orange 335hp engine that has a/c. Especially now that the engines codes were supplied, now he can check them to his BCS, and know him self...but he already knew and was kind enough to tell us all.

If he's interested in checking his BCS to this list that is, and if he does, maybe he'll also tell us what he found and maybe even send in a pic to show you proof how you are wrong, maybe he won't.

I did state that only two cars were needed to verify, not every single one ever built. Guys like Dogpro, that haven't messed with them came here to help us all out...to learn.

Life does need a mystery, you are too correct. I'll drop it. If anyone wants to post anything else that helps like the engine codes did.

I skimmed through some of your novel and spotted my name a few times.
My broadcast sheet apparently was destroyed. The previous owner found a few small bits that the mice missed, nothing with any codes.
However he did meet up with another JH27NOB owner at the Nats in the mid 90's whose car was very similarly equipped to his (now mine) and had a very, very close VIN. The owner sent him a copy of his broadcast sheet and it was included in the paperwork when I bought the car. I just looked at it and the engine code is 085 and the carb code code is 38. Taking a look at this broadcast sheet I see my cars "brother" has an H11 heater/AC code which means that it doesn't have AC like my car does. My H51 equipped car's engine code should be 086.
As for your request to see pictures of my car, I've posted many here on Moparts over the years, rather than post some again, I can direct you to some pictures still present on another site:
second car posted on this thread-
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=43825.0
Another picture and brief description on the bottom of page 3 of this thread-
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=39796.0

At this point, I don't think I would say you couldn't special order the 335HP with a/c just that the 330 horse motor was blue and seems to be the standard 4 bbl motor when you ordered a/c. It seems that a 383/335 with a 4 speed and a/c would be very rare. I wonder how many new owners who added a/c to their 383 musclecar thought they were getting 335 horses or if the salesperson explained the options?

Wouldn't it have to be handwritten in? Does anyone have a 70 order checkoff sheet to see if you could check the magic box?

Was a 383/335 orange motor mandatory in a cuda or chally r/t with an axle package A31/A36?

Adding to the molehill

blue

Any special order engine would have a "Z" in the VIN as the engine code in 1970.

084 = 383/4, manual, a/c, painted blue, 330hp
085 = 383/4, auto, no a/c, blue, 330 hp
086 = 383/4, auto, a/c, blue, 330 hp
087 = 383/4, manual, no a/c, orange, 335 hp
088 = 383/4, auto, no a/c, orange, 335 hp
089 = 383/4, auto a/c, orange, 335 hp

Dogpro states his Gran Coupe is 4 speed & a/c & orange & 335hp. It would not make this list above as his combo is not even acknowledged.

Where are these engine combos on that list...what are their engine assembly codes?
0?? = 383/4, manual, no a/c, painted blue, 330hp
0?? = 383/4, manual, a/c, painted orange, 335hp

If Dogpro could produce BCS documentation for us it would be a real party then...

This post rates right up there with......

I have had several barracuda's and cuda's with the 383 engine... I have never had a BS23N car with a blue engine.

I have had BH23N/BP23 cars with blue engines...and orange engines.

I have the build sheet right here from a BP23N0E(Yes, an Los Angeles built car that had a sheet) it had a blue engine 086 code and a 41 carb code.

I also have a Build sheet and window sticker from a BH23N1B it WAS a 4spd car, no A/C and it had an orange engine...and it said HP on the pad. window sticker 383 code is E65 (383 CID ENGINE 8CYL - 4BBL.) and buildsheet engine code is 418 and carb 48.

Ya know, I read codes to educate & amuse myself, this post just continues to beat a dead horse...My head hurts so I think I'll jump in my JS27N0B & ....

Can't decipher the BCS graciously supplied us for the Gran Coupe BP D21 4spd & H11 non-a/c car, other then the engine code is what looks to be a '202' - and cannot make out at all what the carb code to the right is; unless my eyes decieve it is 0 (zero?)

It's a 70 car's sheet printed on a 69 format sheet.

look at line 4, 2 digits in, there is 087 for engine and 36 for carb, dead on with the info. we'realready beating to death.

Yes, on my BCS, if you go to line four, two 'digits' over, it is 086 and carb code to right is 40.

If you go to line four on this BCS - two 'digits' over, you see axle code 873 , etc.

I don't see where you see a code 087 and carb 36 anywhere.

Look instead - at line three to the very right and see if you see what I do, a engine code '202, and carb code to right is 0, and choke to right of carb is blank.
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Just beat it...beat it.