Scott..your uncles car is nice but its a BP27N0B car i think

Scott ... Any b'cast numbers for ENG & CARB?

Regarding the pink Barracuda 318 car that keeps on being mentioned . . . the deal is that US records show 1 FM3 Gran Coupe ragtop being built. It survives, and if it couldn't be any more special enough, it's a 318 4-speed - an interesting combination.

I don't think this has been clarified yet, but if it has, my apologies . . . there's a lot of confusion with the hp ratings and what was installed. A lot of the confusion is related to the advertised hp for a respective model.

For example, Barracuda N-code cars received 330hp engines according to the ads. 'Cudas, due to their special status as the performance version of the Barracuda, received 335hp engines. However, the assembly line dictated things that would contradict this, and the buyer was not aware of this.

So, for example, if you bought a Barracuda with an N-code engine and a 4-speed, you got the 335hp engine even though it was advertised at 330hp - kinda a step up. And if you got the 'Cuda with an auto and AC, you received the 330hp engine even though the car was advertised with the 335hp engine. It was not unusual for companies to downgrade engines a bit when equipped with AC (I know the GTO 400HO received a different cam if it had AC, and the buyer was not aware of this), but the fact that a base car like a Barracuda could have an engine slightly better than advertised is unusual.

If I've mixed something up, please correct this grasshopper's post.

Hey...Ebodyeast...no disrespect but you must have been playing hooky cruising in your white bomb when the Ma Mopar Decode Class 101 was running.In 69 an L code was a 440/375 A/B/C option.In 1970 an L code was a 383/290 2bbl B/C/E option.In 1970 an N Code was a 383/330 or 383/335 B/C/E option.Station wagons (C) in 68/9/70 did not use a 440/350 horse engine but a 440/365 horse 4 bbl/dual ex,dual snorkel STND camshaft engine.

Many thanks to you and most all others for time on this topic. A few are only here to help bash me some more, the new meat - I did deserve it at first, but only so much will I tolerate, u guys will just have to understand. I can't take back what I wrote, but I'll aplogize no more. I did and still do apologize to any and all I have wrongly offended, and as a new member I have earned zero respect and most all ensuing hostile comments. I took what Dan said the wrong way and have been put in my rightful place...for now. I need to start earning some respect. Most here have quickly earned mine. Others, the night is still young here in Cali.

Some of you though are all over the place with this. You say it, but where did some of you guys get your info, decode 101...no disrespect Some seem quick to agree just to help bash the new guy. Its cool.

I've used the PFSM for my decode info and said so. So where did you guys get this knowledge? Is it something you know for fact or something you heard. Dan is correct to ask anyone with a surviving example to provide build sheet info to get to the bottom, I provided my B-cast info without hesitation.

To order a replacement cam for a 1970 383 4bbl using the factory part # you'll get a 440HP cam. To order valve springs for a 1970 383 4bbl using factory part #, again, you get 440HP valve springs delivered. These were the two main ingredients that gave birth to a legend in 1968 in the Road Runner 383 engine 335hp and new for '68 440 heads. I think hemi71 touched on something when stating every 383 in 1970 may be HP except those going into a C Body, according to his research of the FSM.

From the info provided earlier, every blue 1970 383 was 330hp. Every orange was 335hp. But, has anyone ever seen a 1970 'Cuda BS23 OR BS27 with A/C and auto with anything but an orange motor?

One way to clarify would be to find an owner with either a BH27LOB/BP27LOB/JH27LOB 4bbl car, most all here say they don't exist, or they think they don't exist, or they think they know. I still believe they do...but only if N = HP only.

Maybe the engines in 68 and 69 were 330hp/335hp, but by 1970 maybe Mopar found it easier to make them all with one cam and same 440HP springs and dropped the 330hp version altogether as in 1971 all 383's were HP 300hp lower compression...yes? That would mean no one here is correct yet. I never claimed to know for a fact, I quoted my Mopar literature directly.

Thanks for accepting my apology to those that have...

OK, I'll back off. apologies accepted Mr. Vanilla B. Vert! (Get it? GREAT NICKNAME huh????) As an owner of a BS23N car I took interest. ANY e-body vert is a cool car. I wish I owned one. Peace, we're e-quals.

Thanks a ton pacnorthcuda, you don't know me but it feels great right now to have some forgiveness for past wrong doings from one's peers. So, let me guess, you have an orange 383 in your BS23N? And maybe you also won't mind saying if it has an HP or HP2 stamped anywhere on the engine pad near distributor hole? Thanks again bro.

One thing I noticed in all of this.

One person said they had an 087 in line 4 of b-cast sheet. Mine is 086. Here must be the final answer. The logic however is eluding us. Why rob a customer of 5 hp when A/C is installed when the A/C robs us of even more hp and adds weight?

Were 335hp engines on assembly line 087...and 330hp were 086. If so, then that wasn't so hard.

Where does one get the breakdown info for engine assembly codes on line 4 to decipher the difference between 086 and 087 on b-cast sheet.

If I had the ability to decipher every code in Lines 3 and 4 on VIN info years ago when I found the broadcast sheet I could have helped set the facts straight long ago.

Most of line 3 and 4 VIN codes are simply the last few digits of the factory designated part numbers...easy enough to decode with a parts catalog. Yet engine codes are not found there when orering a replacement engine short block.

Thanks again bro!

You might as well forget about it - the L is a 383-2!

Yea, it was a BP (gran coupe) car, typo sorry

Heres a nicely optioned 71 L code 2bbl canukian car Oh ya...buddy that bought this car traded in a 69 340 GTS hardtop....dealer allowed $2500 on trade.

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Scott ... Any b'cast numbers for ENG & CARB?

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No Dan, it was a fender tag only car, no engine, no trans, no sheet. VIN, cowl, core, and fender tag all matched though. It was a well optioned "Luxo Vert"

A 383/330 N code ....nicely optioned

I seem to have posted something that is still confusing?
I just went thru the whole thread looking for another Dan. (but he's "ph23v0" & hasn't chimed in, yet)

WHAT I KNOW:
1 - all 1970 "L"/E61 code 383s are 2bbl & are painted blue.
2 - all 1970 "N"/E63 code 383s are 4bbl.
3 - all 1970 4bbl 383s painted blue have a CARTER carb and a 330hp rating.
4 - all 1970 4bbl 383s painted orange have a HOLLEY carb and a 335hp rating.
5 - all 1970 4bbl 383s are NOT HP engines.

Any arguements/disagreements on the above 5 items?

And a 383/335 N Code on a 69 Broadcast

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2 - all 1970 "N"/E63 code 383s are 4bbl.
3 - all 1970 4bbl 383s painted blue have a CARTER carb and a 330hp rating.
4 - all 1970 4bbl 383s painted orange have a HOLLEY carb and a 335hp rating.

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Back when I was working on the blue car I wasn't sure about those details so I asked Galen what the car should have for an engine color and carb (since the engine was MIA with no BS or photo history on the car). He said that "N" code 383 cars with AC had blue 383's with Holley carbs so that's what we searched out and used. Doesn't matter anyway, it was sold in 93, probably has a Shaker hood and a Hemi by now anyway

No arguements here Dan. None. Thanks a million for taking time on this. Too cool.

One question. One.
Do you feel it is the Holley carb that deserves credit for the xtra 5hp in 1970. All Mopar books state the extra 5 horses comes from the 440HP's cam/springs, not the Holley carb install.

Was it a marketing scheme by Mopar? You can't feel the 5 horses, who would ever know the difference. Most owners like me probably just assumed they had a HP motor from VIN's 5th digit of N.

TY everyone. Loved seeing the '70 yellow GC...and the b5 conv GC pics.

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