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RESTRICTING OIL IN HEADS #556189
12/17/09 01:18 PM
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i have sr,s with 1.7 t&d,s. when priming the motor,i noticed there was too much oil going up top. i do not oil thru the pushrods. i need to restrict the oil to the rocker arms. i talked to kenny at indy about this. he suggested putting a 1/4-20 brass set screw into the fittings for the oil lines,then drilling a .030" hole in the set screw. my question is,is that to small? i thought i read something about .060". kenny said that was too big.he said you wont even start restricting the oil until you go below .035". any thoughts.


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Re: RESTRICTING OIL IN HEADS [Re: Old School] #556190
12/17/09 01:28 PM
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For race engines we start at .070 and never go less than .050

Re: RESTRICTING OIL IN HEADS [Re: B G Racing] #556191
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For race engines we start at .070 and never go less than .050



this is in a street car. im using k motion 950,s for springs. would .050 be good for my app.? how do you guys restrict the oil? whats the BEST way?


68 cuda formula S 588" bb 5sp
70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (SUBLIME)
70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (PLUMCRAZY):TOO MUCH HORSEPOWER, IS ALMOST ENOUGH!
Re: RESTRICTING OIL IN HEADS [Re: Old School] #556192
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we very seldom restrict oil in a street engine unless it is creating an issue such as flooding the guides or slow return to the sump causing lack of oil at the pickup.

Re: RESTRICTING OIL IN HEADS [Re: B G Racing] #556193
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we very seldom restrict oil in a street engine unless it is creating an issue such as flooding the guides or slow return to the sump causing lack of oil at the pickup.



on the dyno, i was pumping the pan dry.i have a 8 quart pan with external pickup.i was using 6 quarts. i went up to 7 quarts and it seemed to help.maybee 8 quarts would do it.i was running it a little low, hoping to keep as much oil off the crank as i could. it still seemed like alot of oil up top.if i dont pump the pan dry at 8 quarts,should i leave it unrestricted? i like the idea of the extra oil to help cool the valve springs.


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70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (PLUMCRAZY):TOO MUCH HORSEPOWER, IS ALMOST ENOUGH!
Re: RESTRICTING OIL IN HEADS [Re: Old School] #556194
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We never run external pickup and hi-volume pumps with out 8 quarts.Are you sure you were draining the sump? Maybe you were collasping the sucktion line ?

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We never run external pickup and hi-volume pumps with out 8 quarts.Are you sure you were draining the sump? Maybe you were collasping the sucktion line ?



it was not collasping the line,checked that.the oil pressure was creeping all over the place.it was going from about 20 to 50 pounds hot.the higher the rpm,s the lower the presure.when it went back to idle the pressure would go back up.when we shut it down for a few,then restart it,the pressure would be normal,for a minute.then it would fluctuate again.maybee 8 quarts would do the trick.i did not get a chance to try 8 as the motor was damaged on the dyno.when i added 7 quarts thou, i could see a difference in steady oil pressure.


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70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (SUBLIME)
70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (PLUMCRAZY):TOO MUCH HORSEPOWER, IS ALMOST ENOUGH!
Re: RESTRICTING OIL IN HEADS [Re: Old School] #556196
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We never run external pickup and hi-volume pumps with out 8 quarts.Are you sure you were draining the sump? Maybe you were collasping the suction line ?



it was not collasping the line,checked that.the oil pressure was creeping all over the place.it was going from about 20 to 50 pounds hot.the higher the rpm,s the lower the presure.when it went back to idle the pressure would go back up.when we shut it down for a few,then restart it,the pressure would be normal,for a minute.then it would fluctuate again.maybee 8 quarts would do the trick.i did not get a chance to try 8 as the motor was damaged on the dyno.when i added 7 quarts thou, i could see a difference in steady oil pressure.


A collasped line or air leaks on the pick-up or suction line or fitting act the same way.The inside lining may suck shut as rpms go up and relax as it goes to idle. What got hurt on the engine?

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i will cut a new section of hose when i redo the motor,just to be safe.this hose is about 10 years old.
the ptv clearence was too tight on the exhaust valves.the machine shop said they were .060".they missed something.i did not check myself thou.i'm trying 1.7,s ,and i guess the valve caught up to the piston too quick.i think they only used a dial indicator and not clay.the shop is covering it all. all exhaust valves hit. one broke off and holed the piston.i would have never thought they were hitting,as the motor was running good.


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70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (SUBLIME)
70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (PLUMCRAZY):TOO MUCH HORSEPOWER, IS ALMOST ENOUGH!
Re: RESTRICTING OIL IN HEADS [Re: B G Racing] #556198
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We never run external pickup and hi-volume pumps with out 8 quarts.Are you sure you were draining the sump? Maybe you were collasping the sucktion line ?




That's the setup I have with dual lines and a swinging pickup. Curious why you don't recommend it?


Re: RESTRICTING OIL IN HEADS [Re: sg66mopar] #556199
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We never run external pickup and hi-volume pumps with out 8 quarts.Are you sure you were draining the sump? Maybe you were collasping the sucktion line ?




That's the setup I have with dual lines and a swinging pickup. Curious why you don't recommend it?





i think he was saying,without at least 8 quarts.


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70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (SUBLIME)
70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (PLUMCRAZY):TOO MUCH HORSEPOWER, IS ALMOST ENOUGH!
Re: RESTRICTING OIL IN HEADS [Re: Old School] #556200
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Yeah, OK. I see the error of my ways! As I get older my eyesight and dementia cause me to misread once in a while.


Re: RESTRICTING OIL IN HEADS [Re: sg66mopar] #556201
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Yeah, OK. I see the error of my ways! As I get older my eyesight and dementia cause me to misread once in a while.





yeah i know. the older i get,the better i was


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70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 5SP (PLUMCRAZY):TOO MUCH HORSEPOWER, IS ALMOST ENOUGH!
Re: RESTRICTING OIL IN HEADS [Re: Old School] #556202
12/17/09 10:57 PM
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Most guys in this area are running .040 restrictors in there 440-1 or SR heads,
it depends also on what rockers you are running tru rollers like Harland Sharps or the cheaper gold Cranes? As said above the .040 size works well on my 440-1 race motors with the HS rockers. I have a friend that put the SR's on with no retrictors and it was filling up the valve covers and pushing it out the breathers under hard acceleration.

Re: RESTRICTING OIL IN HEADS [Re: Keith Richards] #556203
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Stock vol pump, external pickup (swinging), single line, 6" deep dragster pan w/ trap door. Harland Sharps on Stealth heads here; .052" restrictors in the oil passages underneath the rocker shafts. Now the oil pressure gage comes up to about 10 PSI warm even if I idle down to <1000 RPM. Oil is 10/40.

Will be going to a H.V. pump and see if I still have good idle pressure w/ 10/30 or even 5/30 oil.

Maybe next summer, when the weather is decent...

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