Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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Sounds like you own a really rare and cool car.
The "N" code and E63 on the fender tag only tell you the car came with a 383-4bbl; it does not tell you which version, 330 horse or 335 horse, the car actually recieved. Many sources incorrectly list the 68 and 69 H code and the 70 N code as the HP version of the 383.
You need the broadcast sheet to know which engine assembly was installed.
"L" is the code for the 2bbl 383. I don't think I've seen a source that lists the "L" code for a 383-4bbl 330 horse car.
------------------------------------------ Thanks for the great comments, it seems my manners were left at the door.
Do you also consider official 1970 Plymouth service manuals and official Mopar 1970-71 parts catalogs to be among the sources you 'know' that have incorrectly stated that N is a wrong code letter for 1970 HP 383 335hp?
If not an N, then what letter do you say your prayers to every night? If you were president of Chrysler in 1970...what code would you give the HP motors to differentiate to assembly workers that a 4 door Fury should never get a 'Cuda or R/T's V8? Its tantamount to saying that a 1970 R/T Chally got a 350hp 440 station wagon motor. Lol!!
'Cuda and Challenger were performance models, not 4 door grocery getters. They may have only gotten Hi Po motors installed, no two barrels, the Magnum and Super Commando engines and one hot 340. I like that, never say never, who am I to say. Don't you guys have the same Mopar factory books I do, why do you see it differently?
If one letter, N in this case, was designated for a HP engine, then all others naturally fall under a different letter, in this case, Mopar would give the 2bbl and non-performance 330hp 4bbl's the letter L. Non-performance 383 = L in VIN's 5th place. Just like a 440/440HP/440sxpk (T, U, V)
Also, I've never seen one source that lists a non-performance 330hp 383 as an N code!! Mopar sources state N is 383HiPerformance in 1970...only. Read...only. N = HiPerformance -nothing else, no other motors included. Why so hard to understand?
The sales code was E63, N codes installed into E Body - L code 330hp 4bbl into C body, B body 4 door, etc. Same with 440, non-performance engines installed into grocery getter, 375hp HiPo for all 'Cuda's and R/T's, GTX, etc. That is simple enough, keeps the non-optional Magnum engines from ending up in a 4 door Satellite.
Why would the N represent 383 4bbl's as a whole. The E63 was given to do just that - they didn't need to offer two distinctions, N and E63, did they?!?! Think about it before replying guys.
There were E61 L code 383 2bbl's, and E63 L code 383 4bbl non-HP 330 hp motors (most destined for 4 doors and the like.) Who agrees? Nobody here agrees?!?! ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/argue.gif)
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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I have worked in Automotive Production most of my life and still do. The way a line worker knows how to put a motor on the line would be to look at the build. This would be done in 1970 by looking at the broadcast sheet and seeing what number that is assigned to this S/O and VIN and go to the location that number is assigned and pick the motor up from that location and move it to the line and put it on the conveyor or other mech. 1971 Hemis are coded E74 but on the line they are coded diffently either 407 or 408 and this is on the Hamtramic Broadcast Sheets.
Back to the "N" code for a motor. N is to reference to a 383 4 barrel motor. The plant then decides if it gets what "N" motor via the difference already preset in the build.(AIR ETC) So getting back to the beginning of the post that Dan posted it all depends on what options were ordered on the car and then the Broadcast sheet would varify the motor with the code for the motor that would be put in the car.This number would corespond to the number on the broadcast sheet and then you either get a 5 extra horses or not.
As for Galen and his list,he can stuff it in the garbage.That is only one mans opinion of what RARE is and this has been stated before,sometimes rare does not mean desirable because only one person ordered a certain car does not mean anyone would want it. Forget that Galen list we all have are own lists of what rare is and with my Challenger it is still one of one with the options it has, big deal.Be happy you own one.
1971 HEMI E BODY REGISTRY
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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Wow...thanks guys. I too scanned my 70-71 Mopar parts catalog and found these same anomolies. I would agree that all 383's in 1970 were HiPo 335 hp only if they share same 9.7 to 1 pistons & had the same part# 440HP cam/lifters, same 440HP valve springs. I'm surely reading the FSM wrong! BTW - I quoted my Road Test magazine June 1970 article when posting 10.5 to 1 compression earlier - should have checked my FSM first. Painting the engine blue or orange, what's the significance? Does A/C dictate or does Holley carb or does Tranny or a combo of above? Must be combo. Interesting topic. My engine is blue, has A/C, has Carter 4732S, has 727 auto, for the record, dual exhaust without cutouts and tips. I will say a motor should have been stamped with HP or HP2 on its pad, maybe not all were stamped, mine surely isn't. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drinking.gif)
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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Wow...you guys are the best, I knew I came to the right place for answers. I'll leave my opinions of GG at the door with my cockey attitude from now on.
I am totally seeing the bigger picture here. I too scanned my 70-71 Mopar parts catalog and found these same anomolies. I think I can agree that all 383's in 1970 were HiPo 335 hp. They all had the same 9.7 to 1 pistons had the same part # 440HP cam/lifters, same color coded valve springs, same oil pan w/ factory windage tray, etc.(BTW - I quoted my Road Test maazine June 1970 article when posting 10.5 to 1 compression earlier - should have checked my FSM first, oh no, one member is right that the factory literature is not always 100% correct)
Painting the engine blue or orange, what's the significance? Does A/C dictate or does Holley carb or does Tranny or a combo of above? Interesting topic. My engine is blue, has A/C, has Carter 4732S, has 727 auto, for the record, dual exhaust without cutouts and tips.
I'd like to hear back from the few members that stated I do not have an HP motor in their educated opinions...
I will say a motor should have been stamped with HP or HP2 on its pad, maybe not all were stamped, mine surely isn't.
I'm not exactly sure if L code is 2bbl only, neither is Dan, so you guys can argue, I'm done...to have that cold-one a member suggested earlier. (applause from crowd)
Confirms my decision to stop posting.
Amazing how an unchallenged lie can become the absolute truth.
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/iagree.gif) My JH27N0B code Challenger 'vert is rarer, production wise than an JS27N0B R/T, but never has and probably never will be as desirable. In fact I've only seen pictures of a couple other stock ones, mine's the only one I have seen in person, that I know about. That's because most, and most BH27N0B Barracudas, have been dressed up do look like R/T's and cudas. Mine is a 330 hp automatic AC car, same engine as used in many other '70 Mopars like Furys and Coronets. Not the 335 hp motor, but I'm not sure why that would worth worrying about? I like being having a car that's a little unusual, even if the crowds at the shows and cruises are drawn to the hood scooped and striped examples!
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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I have a JH Challenger Convertible with N code, I will pull the build sheet tonight and post those codes. I am curious, hopefully someone can tell us what they mean. I also have the original carb 4218 Holley with N95 on the car. I went through the same thing before starting the resto, and decided to keep it original instead of another R/T clone.
Nice! What's the SPD of your car? Mine's 11-24 and I know of another similiarly well optioned JH27N0B car a few VIN's away from mine built the same day. Makes me wonder if any more were built the same day as these two?
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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Rarity+high demand=Desirability
Just because a car (or other item) is 'rare' does not mean it is necessarily desirable. Many people confuse the two. A BS cuda will, all things being equal, be more desirable than a BH car. In fact, a rough cuda will always sell for more than a cleaner barracuda.
I have a 70 challenger (N code) that is a rallye hood away from being an R/T. But at the end of the day, the RT will always be more valuable/desirable than my car. If it really bothered me, I'd sell my car and buy an R/T.
Interestingly, a super bee is generally more desirable than a Coronet R/T, even though you get a bigger engine in the R/T! This is true to a lesser degree with road runners and GTXs as well.
My suggestion is to ignore the numbers and have fun with your car. It sounds like a winner to me!
Right on Danan! Well said. Couldn't agree more, yet the obvious (to me anyway) is not so obvious to others. Oh well.
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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Also since the car was a N95 California car it originally had the turn down exhaust which I changed
It has nothing to do with California emissions. No JH car with the exception of the A66 ever came with rear exit bright tips.
... as long as we are talkin' 1970!
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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Also since the car was a N95 California car it originally had the turn down exhaust which I changed
It has nothing to do with California emissions. No JH car with the exception of the A66 ever came with rear exit bright tips.
Assuming we are talking 1970 only JH with no bright tips. I know JH 1971 could have rear exit bright tips....
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