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Got it torn down #555323
12/16/09 12:09 PM 12/16/09 12:09 PM
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And learned a few things in the process. Scott took a more accurate measurement and found my pistons were actually .102 in the hole. He then recalculated my CR and came up with an honest 8.6 to 1.

As it turns out, the previous shop did not put 6pk rods in. They are LY rods.

He then took a look at where my cam was installed. It was in at 109.5. The timing chain was way loose

I'm gonna have to take a look at the other 440 block that I got as he wasn't to thrilled with the idea of the 4 sleeves in mine. Hopefully it's at the standard bore. For all I know it may even have a forged crank.

I won't get a chance to look at it till tomorrw after noon though.

Re: Got it torn down [Re: WILD BILL] #555324
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6pack rods are heavy anyway.....

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Re: Got it torn down [Re: WILD BILL] #555325
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Now that it is apart, you have a lot of options.

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Re: Got it torn down [Re: WILD BILL] #555326
12/16/09 12:16 PM 12/16/09 12:16 PM
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I have a sneekin' suspision, it won't go back together with LY rods either.
Re: Got it torn down [Re: S/ST 3040] #555327
12/16/09 12:19 PM 12/16/09 12:19 PM
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I have a sneekin' suspision, it won't go back together with LY rods either.






Has he told you something he's not telling me

So far all that's been discussed is some machining to up the CR and working the heads and intake.

Re: Got it torn down [Re: WILD BILL] #555328
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I have a sneekin' suspision, it won't go back together with LY rods either.






Has he told you something he's not telling me

So far all that's been discussed is some machining to up the CR and working the heads and intake.



Nope, just a guess.

3 points of compression should do it some good.
Re: Got it torn down [Re: WILD BILL] #555329
12/16/09 12:31 PM 12/16/09 12:31 PM
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I have a sneekin' suspision, it won't go back together with LY rods either.






Has he told you something he's not telling me

So far all that's been discussed is some machining to up the CR and working the heads and intake.



A man like that cant leave nothing stock.
You always have to have more HP!!!!

Re: Got it torn down [Re: HEMIDARTS] #555330
12/16/09 12:32 PM 12/16/09 12:32 PM
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Re: Got it torn down [Re: WILD BILL] #555331
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Just tell Scott you want to go 8s and let him figure it out. No better time than the present.

Re: Got it torn down [Re: sg66mopar] #555332
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I have not had good luck with teardowns either, they always went togeather built for more HP and always cost more $$. I am sure Scott will get you the most bang for bank! He is looking to help me get in to the 8s as well.

Diego
Re: Got it torn down [Re: Diego_Ted] #555333
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8.6 to 1 CR, 4 sleeves, loose chain, LY rods = 600 HP!!! Man, Scotts gonna get you over 700 HP when hes done i bet! seriously, imho, you are at the limit for those LYs. Time for some H beams.

Re: Got it torn down [Re: WILD BILL] #555334
12/16/09 02:48 PM 12/16/09 02:48 PM
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4 sleeves is no big deal, You just need some Hemi length rods.

Sheldon
Re: Got it torn down [Re: RUNCHARGER] #555335
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4 sleeves is no big deal, You just need some Hemi length rods.

Sheldon

Or a blower

Re: Got it torn down [Re: emarine01] #555336
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I always thought sleeves were stronger than an original cylinder wall? I read somewhere that guys would take an engine, sleeve all 8 holes, and use it for a race motor...apparently there was also some questions to the legality of this...I don't remember the details though...maybe they were sleeving a 400 down to a 383? or...

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Re: Got it torn down [Re: Diego_Ted] #555337
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My old R1 block had 5 sleeves in it so the sleeves are no big thing as long as they dont leak
Re: Got it torn down [Re: emarine01] #555338
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4 sleeves is no big deal, You just need some Hemi length rods.

Sheldon

Or a blower



I was thinking turbo and 20psi

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Re: Got it torn down [Re: WILD BILL] #555339
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IMO, the sleeves are a good thing, as long as they were done right. And the motor was working just fine. For what you are going to do, replacing the connecting rods with some aftermarket ones is the right thing to do. Even some $400 H-beams are much better than the old LY rods you have.

A magnaflux crack inspection of the crank is in order after previous racing and a tear down.

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Re: Got it torn down [Re: 440Jim] #555340
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My motor has 8 sleeves that came in it from the factory.

Re: Got it torn down [Re: sg66mopar] #555341
12/16/09 05:22 PM 12/16/09 05:22 PM
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I would start looking for a dana now, once this engine is done w/ more comp. that means more torque, then your 8 3/4 days are numbered especially with a trans brake. my

Re: Got it torn down [Re: Diego_Ted] #555342
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He is looking to help me get in to the 8s as well.




Is that why you were calling yesterday?

I wanted to come to the phone to say but I kinda had my hands full each time you called.

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