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HEADS UP RACING CLASS (NATURALLY ASPIRATED) #552608
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It's been a long time since Mopars had a real competitive heads up class since King of the Street. I know there have been other heads up racing out there, but never really caught on. This class would have an emphasis on LOW COST, since alot of cars would already fall into this category. Here are the rules.

1)3500# min weight(no weight breaks)
2)max cid 540(must use a STOCK BLOCK!!!)
3)must run INDY SR or 440-1 heads.
4)single carb on cast available intake(no sheet metal)(no E85 or Methanol)
5)stock frame rails(no front or back halves)
6)no wheelie bars
7)max tire as stamped on tire. 31x10.5W
8)max 4 foward gears. manual or auto.
9)stock appearing interior. no sheet metal.
10)stock appearing bodies. no ground effects or spoilers.
11)hood scoops ok. max height 10"

fastest 16 qualifiers.
Indy could sponsor for obvious reasons.
Anyone interested???

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Re: HEADS UP RACING CLASS (NATURALLY ASPIRATED) [Re: acme383] #552609
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I'd ask Indy first.


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Re: HEADS UP RACING CLASS (NATURALLY ASPIRATED) [Re: acme383] #552610
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Heads up racing: Is the best way to run, but without limiting the horsepower or the size of the tire. Thnig is to put four categories, one for 8 seconds, one for 9 seconds, a 10 s and 11.
That way if you don't have the Money to run 8 seconds you can run 10 seconds. In every heads up start your car would have to keep low 10 seconds and you need to have a good reaction to win the category of 10 seconds because if you drop to 9 seconds, cars competing in nine seconds will be in nine seconds low and your 10 second car won”t have a chance. This way, you have four categories, four winners, each preparing his car and invest whatever they can, and include more cars the day of competition. That's how we race over here in Peru

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I'd ask Indy first.




It's just a idea. just looking for interest.


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Re: HEADS UP RACING CLASS (NATURALLY ASPIRATED) [Re: acme383] #552612
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9.0s on a stock block...hope you figure in a lot of cleanup time at the track....



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Heads up racing: Is the best way to run, but without limiting the horsepower or the size of the tire. Thnig is to put four categories, one for 8 seconds, one for 9 seconds, a 10 s and 11.
That way if you don't have the Money to run 8 seconds you can run 10 seconds. In every heads up start your car would have to keep low 10 seconds and you need to have a good reaction to win the category of 10 seconds because if you drop to 9 seconds, cars competing in nine seconds will be in nine seconds low and your 10 second car won”t have a chance. This way, you have four categories, four winners, each preparing his car and invest whatever they can, and include more cars the day of competition. That's how we race over here in Peru




I'm not suggesting an index class. Some of us like the idea of going as fast as possible with are given combos, but without spending boatloads of money to be competitve. This would promote an emphasis on tuning.


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Re: HEADS UP RACING CLASS (NATURALLY ASPIRATED) [Re: acme383] #552614
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Heads up racing: Is the best way to run, but without limiting the horsepower or the size of the tire. Thnig is to put four categories, one for 8 seconds, one for 9 seconds, a 10 s and 11.
That way if you don't have the Money to run 8 seconds you can run 10 seconds. In every heads up start your car would have to keep low 10 seconds and you need to have a good reaction to win the category of 10 seconds because if you drop to 9 seconds, cars competing in nine seconds will be in nine seconds low and your 10 second car won”t have a chance. This way, you have four categories, four winners, each preparing his car and invest whatever they can, and include more cars the day of competition. That's how we race over here in Peru




I'm not suggesting an index class. Some of us like the idea of going as fast as possible with are given combos, but without spending boatloads of money to be competitve. This would promote an emphasis on tuning.


Same thing as AHRA ET brackets of old.


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9.0s on a stock block...hope you figure in a lot of cleanup time at the track....




That's what they make diapers for.

i know alot of cars running low nines with that combo. i'm sure with tuning and chassis setup, cars would eventually break 8.99 .NHRA probably never thought SS/AH cars would be running mid to low 8's!


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Re: HEADS UP RACING CLASS (NATURALLY ASPIRATED) [Re: acme383] #552616
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The power needed to move 3500lb car to low 9 high 8's would stress a stock block to the point of failure.Diaper or not,it's a safety issue.Same with wheelie bars.
I would not put myself in a position to grenade an engine and possibly injure myself or another racer.So No I would not be interested.My

Re: HEADS UP RACING CLASS (NATURALLY ASPIRATED) [Re: acme383] #552617
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Good luck with car count with all those rules. Why does the car have to weigh 3500pounds, why only Indy heads, why stock block, why...............

That's why I just goof off with my car, all these classes at different tracks with all the different rules.


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Re: HEADS UP RACING CLASS (NATURALLY ASPIRATED) [Re: acme383] #552618
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Here are the rules.

1)3500# min weight(no weight breaks)
2)max cid 540(must use a STOCK BLOCK!!!)
3)must run INDY SR or 440-1 heads.
4)single carb on cast available intake(no sheet metal)(no E85 or Methanol)
5)stock frame rails(no front or back halves)
6)no wheelie bars
7)max tire as stamped on tire. 31x10.5W
8)max 4 foward gears. manual or auto.
9)stock appearing interior. no sheet metal.
10)stock appearing bodies. no ground effects or spoilers.
11)hood scoops ok. max height 10"



Sorry, but I have to ask... does your car fit these rules EXACTLY, by some chance?

Re: HEADS UP RACING CLASS (NATURALLY ASPIRATED) [Re: gillman34] #552619
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let me correct myself. I was not saying the cars "should" run 9.0's, I meant that they probably would eventually run those numbers. i editted the post as not to confuse anyone. as far as the wheelie bar rule, NMCA prostock class has that rule as well and they are running low 8's on a smaller tire.


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Re: HEADS UP RACING CLASS (NATURALLY ASPIRATED) [Re: acme383] #552620
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9.0s on a stock block...hope you figure in a lot of cleanup time at the track....




That's what they make diapers for.

i know alot of cars running low nines with that combo. i'm sure with tuning and chassis setup, cars would eventually break 8.99 .NHRA probably never thought SS/AH cars would be running mid to low 8's!




Nor are they running blocks casted in 1968.

Why would anybody want to build a engine for a class where the diaper is going to get tested regularly????


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Re: HEADS UP RACING CLASS (NATURALLY ASPIRATED) [Re: bigtimeauto] #552621
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First you said N/A only...there are hardly any 9.0 N/A 3500 pound mopars out there..I can only think of a handful that could run 8.90's at 3000 pounds???

10.0 n/a class maybe...

Good luck...


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'Problems that I see:

1) Limiting the heads to Indy products
2) The naturally aspirated thing would be a stretch.
3) The stock block thing is going to get rid of about 50% of the serious head count.

It would still be a very cool class they way you set it up, I just don't see that many cars that could compete given those stipulations (brand wise, especially).

If it was my race I'd set a weight limit for every general combo (n/a, turbo, SB N20, etc) and specify parts that connot be used (aka B1MC, 572-13, etc).

Cool idea!

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9.0s on a stock block...hope you figure in a lot of cleanup time at the track....




That's what they make diapers for.

i know alot of cars running low nines with that combo. i'm sure with tuning and chassis setup, cars would eventually break 8.99 .NHRA probably never thought SS/AH cars would be running mid to low 8's!




Nor are they running blocks casted in 1968.

Why would anybody want to build a engine for a class where the diaper is going to get tested regularly????




not everyone has the money to buy an aftermarket block. plus it would be easier to regulate engine size. i think you are missing the point. alot of people are already running this combo right now. without having to spend any money. who knows, maybe the bump would be 9.50. it's just an idea i was talking over with some friends. I know alot of people are bored with bracket racing, and have grudge racing between friends that makes you go faster without spending a ton of dough. that's all!


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Re: HEADS UP RACING CLASS (NATURALLY ASPIRATED) [Re: acme383] #552624
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If you don't have the money to buy a aftermarket block you don't have the money to go heads up racing.

Can't you buy iron blocks for around 2500? You will have 12-1500 in a stock block thats looking for a place to break anyway.


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We've been low 9.3x's with a 3500lb car and a stock block, not a big deal. Dan's trying to throw out ideas for a budget, yet heads up class. He's NOT saying you have to run any certain ET, you could run 12's for all anyone cares. Stock block, aluminum heads, 3500#(or heavier)and a 10.5 tire would describe A LOT of mopar B body cars out there.....

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It's been a long time since Mopars had a real competitive heads up class since King of the Street. I know there have been other heads up racing out there, but never really caught on. This class would have an emphasis on LOW COST, since alot of cars would already fall into this category. Here are the rules.

1)3500# min weight(no weight breaks)
2)max cid 540(must use a STOCK BLOCK!!!)
3)must run INDY SR or 440-1 heads.
4)single carb on cast available intake(no sheet metal)(no E85 or Methanol)
5)stock frame rails(no front or back halves)
6)no wheelie bars
7)max tire as stamped on tire. 31x10.5W
8)max 4 foward gears. manual or auto.
9)stock appearing interior. no sheet metal.
10)stock appearing bodies. no ground effects or spoilers.
11)hood scoops ok. max height 10"

fastest 16 qualifiers.
Indy could sponsor for obvious reasons.
Anyone interested???




You sure are restricting the field with just Indy
heads... why not any head with a bonus if you do
run a Indy head.... I dont come close to fitting
in but its a suggestion

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'Problems that I see:

1) Limiting the heads to Indy products
2) The naturally aspirated thing would be a stretch.
3) The stock block thing is going to get rid of about 50% of the serious head count.

It would still be a very cool class they way you set it up, I just don't see that many cars that could compete given those stipulations (brand wise, especially).

If it was my race I'd set a weight limit for every general combo (n/a, turbo, SB N20, etc) and specify parts that connot be used (aka B1MC, 572-13, etc).

Cool idea!




the reason for the Indy heads, is horsepower output. bottom line. 440-1 heads flow @ 390 give or take. therefore it limits the horspower output.
weight breaks get too complicated. some cars will need to add weight. it eliminates the cost of lightweight componenets to lighten up the cars for their given weight break. just simplier. please forget the projected et's(example 9.0). i was merely throwing out a number.


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