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Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: turbododgepirate] #54224
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Loving this topic big time. I had heard that the spindles could be used, it's nice to have some verification. Just wanted to add that AIM industries does sell dropped control arms for these trucks. I bought some a few years back, but they weren't compatible with the airbag set-up I was building, so I sold them on e-bay. Also, here is a pic of my truck that I will start working on again real soon. 67 Dodge on a 78 Dodge frame!

Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: slicknapier] #54225
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i bought a pair of dakota spindles off ebay and wont be using them if anyone is interested pm me. i completly changed directions on my build and im going back to stock height (almost)

Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: lunacy] #54226
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I can't wait for the pictures. full details too, i haven't been on this board too long and I don't even know where to begin, but I have the motor out and the interior apart, might as well lower it at the same time. I'm waiting for someone to figure out how to swap in the newer ram spindles with the sealed bearings where you can run a new wheel with the smaller center hole. That would be trick.




Almost every piece of equipment built has standardized tolerances, sizes, and fits for shafts/shoulders/bearings/seals/etc.

Nobody wants to have to spend $$$ to have bearings developed when they can use "shelf" parts.

Car wheel bearings are no exception.

If you have the P/N's of the bearings and seals you pull out of the hub, that'll tell you EXACTLY what the size of the hub and the spindle are. Best part: roller bearings have #'s that all manufacturers can recognize and interchange w/. So, you can pull an SKF bearing, and take it to a Timken dealer for a replacement.

If you have bare spindles and hubs, then you can still measure the diameters.

I've adapted Dodge hubs onto '48 Ford spindles just by perusing a bearing catalog.

The computer w/ the links I used is gone, but a quick google search turned up some catalogs; here's some places to try:

http://www.timken.com/en-us/products/Pages/Catalogs.aspx

http://www.ntnamerica.com/catalogs.htm

http://www.skf.com/portal/skf/home/products

http://www.zklbearings.com/index.html

If you're anwhere near a large town, there should be a bearing supply house there; if not, I'll bet someone at a tractor or equipment supply place could help you out.

Hope this gets you on the right track.

-bill


Seduce the attractive, and charm the rest. ****** 489 C.I.D., roller cam, aftermarket heads, tunnel ram, stock '54 Dodge rear axle assembly: which of these doesn't belong?
Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: thecarfarmer] #54227
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If you're anwhere near a large town, there should be a bearing supply house there; if not, I'll bet someone at a tractor or equipment supply place could help you out.




This is pretty much how I researched the Dakota spindle swap. Biggest difference was that I was the one reading numbers out of the book after getting to know the counter folks at the local parts store.


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Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: Cheeto] #54228
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Ive had several members pm me asking if I could give a rundown of parts needed for the spindle swap by year.

Here is what I figured out either by research or by actually doing the swap.

72-93 half ton balljoints are the same. The Dakota spindle will bolt on without modification.

Use 87-90 Dakota spindle on the 72-78 Ram.
Use 91-96 Dakota spindle on the 79-93 Ram,this will cause fewer headaches with outer tierod ends (ask me how I know).

For the 72-83 Rams use either the 1 yr only 84 Ram rotor or the the 76 Newyorker c-body rotors,these both use the same bearings as the 87-96 Dakotas. This will allow you to retain your 5x4.5" bolt pattern.

For the 84-93 Rams the stock rotors will bolt to the Dakota spindles.

If you use these parts you should still be able to use your stock tierod ends. However you may still need to use the longer c-body adjusting sleeves. Moog es440s was the part # I used but somone said it was no longer available. Just ask for 76 Newyorker sleeves.

You may need to grind a little on the outer edge of the lower control arms.

Thats really about it. All this info is for half ton trucks.

Hope this helps.

Last edited by ramblebee; 09/23/08 11:26 PM.
Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: ramblebee] #54229
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Ramble bee

You rock, thanks for the run down and all the hard work.



Mike


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Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: ramblebee] #54230
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will the 76 new yorker rotors fit on the 91-96 dakota spindle?

Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: coronet1966d] #54231
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will the 76 new yorker rotors fit on the 91-96 dakota spindle?





"For the 72-83 Rams use either the 1 yr only 84 Ram rotor or the the 76 Newyorker c-body rotors,these both use the same bearings as the 87-96 Dakotas."


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Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: 3XCHARM] #54232
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ok i read it wrong, i have an 85 so it took me a minute to get that all sorted thanks!

Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: coronet1966d] #54233
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The reason for using the c-body or 84 Ram rotors is so you can retain your 5x4.5" bolt patern.If you have an 85-93 and like your bigger bolt pattern, your rotors will bolt on. I edited the list to reflect that.
Sorry about that.

Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: ramblebee] #54234
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yeah mine had the weird 5x5 i havnt installed the spindles yet, i still thinking about what to do to the rear end it was axle flipped and i really didnt like it

Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: coronet1966d] #54235
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question, does anyone know on the earlier dakota knuckles, is there a lot of room on the lower ball joint mounts to ream it out to a larger 1 ton ball joint? reason i ask is i swapped pocketed 1 ton control arms in my truck, but with the heavier 1 ton front end ball joints, i would love to get it down a little further, thanks, John

Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: ramblebee] #54236
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Hey ramblebee, what calipers did you end up using???


1975 Ramcharger 6" lift 35" Mud Terrains 8 lug 44 front, 60 rear. (R.I.P.)
1976 D100 lowered 3" & 5" Now with a 440!!! (sold)
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Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: 3XCHARM] #54237
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Hey ramblebee, what calipers did you end up using???


Stock Ram calipers and brackets.

Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: ramblebee] #54238
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First off, I really appreciate the info laid out here! I'm not trying to muddy the waters here but you refered to the 84 rotor as being one year only. After visiting O'Reillys and Autozones websites they show the 82 through 84 rotors as the same(Wagner BD60472). However they show that the inner bearing changed in 84 and continued after that. This might give guys who are sourcing used stuff a little more in the way of options by using the 82-84 rotor as long as they use the newer 84+ inner bearing.

Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: Jwilli500] #54239
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First off, I really appreciate the info laid out here! I'm not trying to muddy the waters here but you refered to the 84 rotor as being one year only. After visiting O'Reillys and Autozones websites they show the 82 through 84 rotors as the same(Wagner BD60472). However they show that the inner bearing changed in 84 and continued after that. This might give guys who are sourcing used stuff a little more in the way of options by using the 82-84 rotor as long as they use the newer 84+ inner bearing.


What I meant by one year only is that the 84 rotors have the larger inner wheel bearing and still retained the 5x4.5 bolt pattern.

Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: ramblebee] #54240
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where can i buy drop shackles for the rear? i dont want to do a flip

Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: coronet1966d] #54241
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where can i buy drop shackles for the rear? i dont want to do a flip




I have seen them on ebay, you'll probably have to look under for a mid 80's early 90's Chevy, thats what i plan to do and my understanding is they fit just fine. I think they run around 25 for the pair or something like that.

Im planning the 2" lowering shackle and the 2" drop spindles on mine--i just have been to busy to do it.


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Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: 85_Ram_4speed] #54242
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i saw a truck that was 4" in the rear with 2" dak spindles it sat real nice!

Re: Dakota spindles on 73 clubcab done (almost) [Re: coronet1966d] #54243
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As far as what i have read, the 2" shackle is about as far as you can go in the rear without dearching the springs, removing a spring or two, or do and axle flip.

If you did an axle flip and a shackle flip at the same time and forgo the lowering shackles (which in this particular case would now raise the rear), i thinck then you get around that 4" mark.
Thats how Scratchinfortraction did his.


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