Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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Unless you want them for "Showing" I'd leave those puppies off!! Make a prop rod or two and save your hood. IMHO
That's true. The factory kept replacing the hoods under warrantee because they bowed in the middle. Finally the factory came up with the fix. Take the hinges off and use a prop rod. I did that to mine and it flattened right back out to match the fenders. My hood hinges for my AAR have 33 coils.
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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I bought some reproduction springs, got to look at my part number I got.. anyone have a pic of the underside of an original, my hood looks like it was made with fiberglass matting. not very neat in appearence. I seen some repros and they look real nice on the inderside.
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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I have a set of original AAR hood springs. They measure 5 1/2" long, 33 coils, 1 5/16 OD, the spring thickness measured with a micrometer is .166 . I have a set of NOS TA hood springs, purchased from Chrysler in the 70's, no dealer sticker but I know who bought them. They measure 6 1/2" long, 36 coils, 1 5/16 OD, the spring thickness is .180 . The spring thickness is more on the TA springs I have, not sure if the over the counter springs were the same as the production line springs, they are gold cad plated. The hooks are also different between the two springs! These springs are unique to just the AAR and the TA.
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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Here's the pic of AAR springs from the year one website. Is THIS what AAR springs are actually supposed to look like?
Tav
Those springs are not correct. The pic is just generic.
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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i have both springs in stock
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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Some people have been asking me about this, so here's a bump to the top so it's easier to find. I've contacted a few distributors about this issue, and spoke with a guy who claims to be the manufacturer. To my knowledge, nothing has been changed yet and they are still being sold mislabeled. I'm still working on getting this issue resolved. Tav
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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I bought my AAR in 71 The dealer installed hood pins in the middle (alongsides) of hood they sold 13 all had them this was not the cure. Tomsic Chrysler Plymouth was dealer. My car sat for 15years with springs on took them off hood flaten right out.
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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Yes, My repro AAR hood had repro TA springs on it for about a year and it got pretty warped. (that's when I found out about having the wrong springs) Took em off and been using a prop rod ever since. Hood flattened out over the coarse of a month or so. Heat helps it flatten out, if your in a hurry you could park it in the sun. I've also heard of a guy putting sand bags on the hood cause the weight helps too, but it's not neccesary if your patient. Another note: if you don't like the prop rod look you can bend a solid bar to replace the spring. Just make it so it hooks around the same spots the spring would and make it the proper length to hold the hood in the open position. Should only need it on one side. Just open the hood and install the bar, same procedure as a prop rod, but it doesn't take up as much space in the back seat. You can even paint it to match your car, and few people will ever notice the springs aren't there. It's not up in your way like a prop rod. JUST ONE REALLY IMPORTANT THING! DON'T FORGET IT'S THERE AND TRY TO CLOSE THE HOOD! (Crack!! ) Tav
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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Hey Tav, Im surprised that repop hood warped . I thought the repops were supposed to re-enforced along the sides to prevent the warping problem. Am I correct on this? Maybe depends on who manufactured the hood?
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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I guess while I'm on the topic of springs, I'll post the data for steel hood springs also.
barracuda: 24 coils, .215 spring thickness (with paint), 1 3/4 outside diameter, 5 1/8 long (without hooks)
challenger: 22 coils, .240 spring thickness (with paint), 1 15/16 outside diameter, 5 1/4 long (without hooks)
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Found this in another thread and thought I'd post it here also since it's relevant.
Barnabas_Kriss wrote...
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Actually for the steel hoods, there are two kinds of springs, I researched this in the 70-71 factory parts book, and confirmed it on cars I owned/parted. One is 23 coils, used on 70 cuda/barracuda only. The other one is 18 coils, (wound from a thicker wire) used on 70 challengers, and all 71-74 E-bodies. This applies to all steel hoods (flat/rally/shaker).
Perhaps we've counted our coils differently, It can be tricky deciding if you should count the first and last ones with the hooks on them. Anyway, I thought I'd let everyone know this this needs looked into just a little more, and maybe a picture posted here showing a comparison.
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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How can the springs warp the hood?
Remember that the springs are stretched while the hood is closed, therefore exerting pressure from the spring anchor point to where it attaches on the hood. The spring assists in the opening of the hood as the spring compresses while the hood is open.
Make any sense? Frank
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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I couldn't tell you how many lbs of pressure there would be but as an example... next time you see a hood off a car and the springs/hinges are still mounted, try to push the hood spring down to the open position. I say while it's on the car because I don't think you would be able to open the hood hinge in your bare hands while it was off the car. You could also mount it in a vice. The point being.....how much pressure? Quite a bit. Better yet...remove the sping from the hood hinge and try to stretch the spring. Frank
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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The pressure is greatest when the hood is "CLOSED" The spring pressure is what assists in OPENING the hood. Once the hood is open there is NO PRESSURE exerted on the hood. Thats why the hoods warp, from the pressure of the spring pushing up on the hood while it's CLOSED. Frank
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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The pressure is greatest when the hood is "CLOSED"
Frank, If it has all that pressure on it, why doesn't the hood pop open when you pull the pins? It takes a couple of pounds to lift the hood off of the stops before the springs take over.
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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The pressure is greatest when the hood is "CLOSED"
Frank, If it has all that pressure on it, why doesn't the hood pop open when you pull the pins? It takes a couple of pounds to lift the hood off of the stops before the springs take over.
You have to understand that the hood is a "certain " length. now you have to relize where the pivot point of the hinges are. So based on that distance from the hinge to the front of the hood is weight and leverage. So based apond that , length weight and distance to the hinge pivot is the reason why you DO GET THE WARPAGE ! from the force of the spring trying to raise the hood, but it can't because the hood pins are holding it down. Thats why I say leave the stupid springs off! Kev
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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but it can't because the hood pins are holding it down
Really!!!! You pull your hood pins and the hood flies up?
Sorry, my bad! I quess I didn't write it like I was trying to say it, so you would understand what I meant. No the hood DOES NOT FLY OPEN ! But yes when the hood is CLOSED those springs are applying upward (constant) pressure on the hood between the hinge and where it is held down at the pins. Ok you guys do what YOU want concerning the use of those springs on your cars , but aleast you know what MY opinion is of them. The hood on my T/A was screwed up because of those springs back in 1972 and to this day is still messed up ! Good Luck To All! Kev
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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Anyone know if this problem has been fixed? I just purchased a set of Year One AAR springs and after rereading this thread, I think I may just return them and make a steel bar to hold the hinge open as described. And return the overpriced springs, as I know they were half that not long ago. Thanks
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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Time for an update. I saw a few places outside of Moparts where people were still having trouble figuring out what hood springs to use on the Mopar Trans Am cars. I looked at Year One again, and they STILL have their springs mislabeled. That's at least 15 years of misleading people. Vans Auto seems to have their springs labeled correctly, which is nice. Finally a little progress. Hopefully other places will start labeling their parts correctly in the future. This picture should make it easier for everyone to know which spring is for which car. Tav
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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I could be mistaken but I was under the assumption that the TA hood springs were lighter tension than the steel hoods. Glass hoods where lighter than steel i thought.
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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these came with the single 4bbl AAR hood assembly I purchased last year Thanks for the pic Dan! A 4 barrel AAR hood assembly? Is that from one of the factory sponsored race cars? That sounds like an interesting story.
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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Has anyone bought a T/A spring lately ? I bought a "T/A"spring a few years ago and now know why my hood doesn't stay all the way up. I went to Van's website, it shows one, but no description. His ebay store doesn't list one, it does list a AAR one. I messaged him, hadn't heard back yet. Also, the spring I have definitely isn't an AAR spring, not sure what I have, but for sure it is either too long or not enough tension. Not worried about hood bowing.
update: just heard from Van's, he doesn't have any T/A springs.......
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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs
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disregard, wrong springs again...
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