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Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: cataclysm80] #53915 03/02/08 09:15 PM 03/02/08 09:15 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	i have both springs in stock

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs #53916 03/03/08 09:56 AM 03/03/08 09:56 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida C cataclysm80 OP master
cataclysm80 OP master C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida	I've looked around several parts distributors web sites, and all have the springs mislabeled. I'm pretty sure the manufacturer is the one labeling them wrong and passing it on to the distributors who are unaware of the difference. Tom, if you have it, would you PM me the manufacturers contact info? Tav

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: cataclysm80] #53917 03/03/08 05:38 PM 03/03/08 05:38 PM
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fastmark master F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,379 Abilene, Texas	The only diff that I can see in my originals and the ones tomr has pictured is that my original ends do not come back as close to the coil at the ones in the pics. They look like the ones in the YO pic.

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: fastmark] #53918 07/29/08 10:17 AM 07/29/08 10:17 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida C cataclysm80 OP master
cataclysm80 OP master C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida	Some people have been asking me about this, so here's a bump to the top so it's easier to find. I've contacted a few distributors about this issue, and spoke with a guy who claims to be the manufacturer. To my knowledge, nothing has been changed yet and they are still being sold mislabeled. I'm still working on getting this issue resolved. Tav

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: cataclysm80] #53919 07/29/08 04:02 PM 07/29/08 04:02 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas PAINT IT BLACK Got a CHIP on my shoulder
PAINT IT BLACK Got a CHIP on my shoulder Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas	Does anyone have any experience with a warped hood going back to normal by removing the springs? I am about sick enough of my warpage to use a prop rod.

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #53920 07/29/08 04:15 PM 07/29/08 04:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,990 , PA sleepyhead416 top fuel
sleepyhead416 top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,990 , PA	I bought my AAR in 71 The dealer installed hood pins in the middle (alongsides) of hood they sold 13 all had them this was not the cure. Tomsic Chrysler Plymouth was dealer. My car sat for 15years with springs on took them off hood flaten right out. Last edited by sleepyhead416; 07/30/08 08:04 AM.

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #53921 07/29/08 06:00 PM 07/29/08 06:00 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida C cataclysm80 OP master
cataclysm80 OP master C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida	Yes, My repro AAR hood had repro TA springs on it for about a year and it got pretty warped. (that's when I found out about having the wrong springs) Took em off and been using a prop rod ever since. Hood flattened out over the coarse of a month or so. Heat helps it flatten out, if your in a hurry you could park it in the sun. I've also heard of a guy putting sand bags on the hood cause the weight helps too, but it's not neccesary if your patient. Another note: if you don't like the prop rod look you can bend a solid bar to replace the spring. Just make it so it hooks around the same spots the spring would and make it the proper length to hold the hood in the open position. Should only need it on one side. Just open the hood and install the bar, same procedure as a prop rod, but it doesn't take up as much space in the back seat. You can even paint it to match your car, and few people will ever notice the springs aren't there. It's not up in your way like a prop rod. JUST ONE REALLY IMPORTANT THING! DON'T FORGET IT'S THERE AND TRY TO CLOSE THE HOOD! (Crack!! ) Tav

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: cataclysm80] #53922 07/29/08 06:16 PM 07/29/08 06:16 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas PAINT IT BLACK Got a CHIP on my shoulder
PAINT IT BLACK Got a CHIP on my shoulder Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas	Thanks!

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #53923 07/29/08 11:32 PM 07/29/08 11:32 PM
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ebodyseast mopar E Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 500 NoVa	Tav, so when T/A owners order a hood spring an AAR spring is sent instead - and vise versa & in every case? If so, major screw up and all your perseverance has paid off & in a big way 'cause there's gotta be alot of owners that read this and can now have all they need - all provided here & by you & the other great members - to measure the part and visually examine its the correct piece or provide exact measurements & coil count to their supplier before its sent. Great detective work & your a great asset here & for alot of reasons.

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: ebodyseast] #53924 07/30/08 07:43 AM 07/30/08 07:43 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida C cataclysm80 OP master
cataclysm80 OP master C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida	Yes, That's correct. Thank You. Tav

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: cataclysm80] #53925 07/30/08 11:29 PM 07/30/08 11:29 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,058 NW/Indiana - Chi town ricomondo top fuel
ricomondo top fuel Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,058 NW/Indiana - Chi town	Hey Tav, Im surprised that repop hood warped . I thought the repops were supposed to re-enforced along the sides to prevent the warping problem. Am I correct on this? Maybe depends on who manufactured the hood? GY3 71 Demon 340

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: ricomondo] #53926 07/31/08 07:52 PM 07/31/08 07:52 PM
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cataclysm80 OP master C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida	Yes, my repop AAR hood does have extra reinforcing, but I guess it just wasn't enough to hold up against the stronger TA springs. I got the hood from Year One, probably about 5 years ago now. Hoping not to have any warpage problems with my new ASC&P TA hood! Tav

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: cataclysm80] #53927 07/31/08 08:11 PM 07/31/08 08:11 PM
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cataclysm80 OP master C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida	Quote: I guess while I'm on the topic of springs, I'll post the data for steel hood springs also. barracuda: 24 coils, .215 spring thickness (with paint), 1 3/4 outside diameter, 5 1/8 long (without hooks) challenger: 22 coils, .240 spring thickness (with paint), 1 15/16 outside diameter, 5 1/4 long (without hooks) Tav Found this in another thread and thought I'd post it here also since it's relevant. Barnabas_Kriss wrote... Quote: Actually for the steel hoods, there are two kinds of springs, I researched this in the 70-71 factory parts book, and confirmed it on cars I owned/parted. One is 23 coils, used on 70 cuda/barracuda only. The other one is 18 coils, (wound from a thicker wire) used on 70 challengers, and all 71-74 E-bodies. This applies to all steel hoods (flat/rally/shaker). Perhaps we've counted our coils differently, It can be tricky deciding if you should count the first and last ones with the hooks on them. Anyway, I thought I'd let everyone know this this needs looked into just a little more, and maybe a picture posted here showing a comparison. Tav

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: cataclysm80] #53928 07/31/08 08:32 PM 07/31/08 08:32 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 719 Seminole County FL to Plymouth... Barry70GTX super stock
Barry70GTX super stock Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 719 Seminole County FL to Plymouth...	Quote: Yes, my repop AAR hood does have extra reinforcing, but I guess it just wasn't enough to hold up against the stronger TA springs. I got the hood from Year One, probably about 5 years ago now. Hoping not to have any warpage problems with my new ASC&P TA hood! Tav it just wasn't enough to hold up against the stronger TA springs How can the springs warp the hood? NMCA NSS 67 Coronet

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: Barry70GTX] #53929 07/31/08 09:16 PM 07/31/08 09:16 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,101 Retired now in Tennessee Chi_Town_Runner super stock
Chi_Town_Runner super stock Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,101 Retired now in Tennessee	Quote: How can the springs warp the hood? Remember that the springs are stretched while the hood is closed, therefore exerting pressure from the spring anchor point to where it attaches on the hood. The spring assists in the opening of the hood as the spring compresses while the hood is open. Make any sense? Frank

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: cataclysm80] #53930 07/31/08 10:10 PM 07/31/08 10:10 PM
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B5TA super stock B Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 881 Ohio	Ok , I'm going to say it 1 more time , just like I have said it for the past 35years, LEAVE THOSE STINKING HOOD SPRINGS OFF! unless you want to ruin your hood.. What it does is exactly like the above post says, it puts stress/ pressure on the front ( leading edge ) of the hinge when it is closed. That stress then weakens the fiberglass which thus causes the WARPAGE. If you show your car then I would open the hood and then install the springs, then take them back off before closing the hood. But myself I would use 2 prop rods at the front. Kev

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: Chi_Town_Runner] #53931 07/31/08 10:19 PM 07/31/08 10:19 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 719 Seminole County FL to Plymouth... Barry70GTX super stock
Barry70GTX super stock Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 719 Seminole County FL to Plymouth...	Quote: Quote: How can the springs warp the hood? Remember that the springs are stretched while the hood is closed, therefore exerting pressure from the spring anchor point to where it attaches on the hood. The spring assists in the opening of the hood as the spring compresses while the hood is open. Make any sense? Frank therefore exerting pressure from the spring anchor point to where it attaches on the hood. And how much spring pressure would that be? NMCA NSS 67 Coronet

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: Barry70GTX] #53932 08/01/08 03:16 PM 08/01/08 03:16 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,101 Retired now in Tennessee Chi_Town_Runner super stock
Chi_Town_Runner super stock Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,101 Retired now in Tennessee	I couldn't tell you how many lbs of pressure there would be but as an example... next time you see a hood off a car and the springs/hinges are still mounted, try to push the hood spring down to the open position. I say while it's on the car because I don't think you would be able to open the hood hinge in your bare hands while it was off the car. You could also mount it in a vice. The point being.....how much pressure? Quite a bit. Better yet...remove the sping from the hood hinge and try to stretch the spring. Frank

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: Chi_Town_Runner] #53933 08/01/08 03:53 PM 08/01/08 03:53 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 719 Seminole County FL to Plymouth... Barry70GTX super stock
Barry70GTX super stock Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 719 Seminole County FL to Plymouth...	The point being.....how much pressure? Sure there is plenty of pressure with the hood in the up position. How much is there in the down position? NMCA NSS 67 Coronet

Re: AAR vs. T/A Hood Springs [Re: Barry70GTX] #53934 08/01/08 06:34 PM 08/01/08 06:34 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,101 Retired now in Tennessee Chi_Town_Runner super stock
Chi_Town_Runner super stock Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,101 Retired now in Tennessee	The pressure is greatest when the hood is "CLOSED" The spring pressure is what assists in OPENING the hood. Once the hood is open there is NO PRESSURE exerted on the hood. Thats why the hoods warp, from the pressure of the spring pushing up on the hood while it's CLOSED. Frank

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