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help 440 timing #517852 11/06/09 10:26 PM 11/06/09 10:26 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 318 Chicagoland stacks79 OP enthusiast
stacks79 OP enthusiast Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 318 Chicagoland	hello, first 440 build. how do you see the timing marks on the timing cover in the vehicle?? that plate is so small and half hidden i cant see anything in a straight line of view. i have to use a mirror just to see the thing, let alone get a timing light to it. i noticed there is a hole in it, i assume tdc? trying to wire up all the plug wires tonight so i can fire it up tomorrow. any help would be appreciated. thanks, john

Re: help 440 timing [Re: stacks79] #517853 11/06/09 10:38 PM 11/06/09 10:38 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,819 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,819 Kirkland, Washington	The hole is at 0 degrees, take a good look at it and determine the graduations before you read it while its running. You're much better off putting timing tape on the damper.

Re: help 440 timing [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #517854 11/06/09 10:57 PM 11/06/09 10:57 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 318 Chicagoland stacks79 OP enthusiast
stacks79 OP enthusiast Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 318 Chicagoland	thanks, i figured the hole was tdc, but wanted to confirm, this is what i am up against, after a little web surfing, i have seen a few timing tabs, mine looks nothing like some of the others, ie, easier to read. How do you get a timing light to see down here, first pic you can just see the damper slit, second you can just see the tab, and thoat is only because i have my hand down in the fan at the level of the tab, no way i can get down there with the engine runnin!! John

Re: help 440 timing [Re: stacks79] #517855 11/06/09 11:02 PM 11/06/09 11:02 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,819 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,819 Kirkland, Washington	That doesn't look so bad, other than the lines on tab are hard to distinguish. Clean up the tab with brush or sand paper. Internet search to get a better pic that will show what the lines are (I think each line is 5 degrees)

Re: help 440 timing [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #517856 11/06/09 11:06 PM 11/06/09 11:06 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 318 Chicagoland stacks79 OP enthusiast
stacks79 OP enthusiast Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 318 Chicagoland	thanks for the reply, but what my question is, is how am i suppost to view it with the engine running? i do not have a straight line of sight to the tab or hole, i only got that pic cause i stuck my hand down in there. my timing light is adjustable at the gun, so i can set my timing there, but i just need to see the hole, i did not know if it was something else missing, some other tool, etc... thanks. John

Re: help 440 timing [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #517857 11/06/09 11:19 PM 11/06/09 11:19 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	clean the tab & put 4 dabs of white paint on it on the front edge (the line at the hole (TDC) and the 3 lines CCW from it 5, 10 & 15 btdc and clean & paint the groove on the dampener & you'll be easily able to see it w your light. live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: help 440 timing [Re: RapidRobert] #517858 11/06/09 11:25 PM 11/06/09 11:25 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,478 Canada CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here
CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,478 Canada	Quote: clean the tab & put 4 dabs of white paint on it on the front edge (the line at the hole (TDC) and the 3 lines CCW from it 5, 10 & 15 btdc and clean & paint the groove on the dampener & you'll be easily able to see it w your light. My Jensen Interceptor has the same side tab and waterpump as you, I cleaned my balancer, painted it black, dabbed white paint in the timing notch, marked the balancer for 34 and 36 degrees BTDC and cleaned the tab up. My hood opens backwards so I have reduced view of the front of the engine but I can still see the marks pretty easily. If the marks aren't clearly defined it's tough to see while running.... CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: help 440 timing [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #517859 11/06/09 11:38 PM 11/06/09 11:38 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: marked the balancer for 34 and 36 degrees BTDC You could make a new mark 2&1/4" CW from the groove on the dampener for 35.5 BTDC and it's always a good idea to check exact TDC with the piston stop. live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: help 440 timing [Re: RapidRobert] #517860 11/07/09 09:21 AM 11/07/09 09:21 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,958 SW Fla. CYACOP master
CYACOP master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,958 SW Fla.	Quote: Quote: marked the balancer for 34 and 36 degrees BTDC You could make a new mark 2&1/4" CW from the groove on the dampener for 35.5 BTDC and it's always a good idea to check exact TDC with the piston stop. Is that 2 and a 1/4" around the radius of the balancer or straight across? I want to mark mine up before I install it.

Re: help 440 timing [Re: CYACOP] #517861 11/07/09 10:13 AM 11/07/09 10:13 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: Is that 2 and a 1/4" around the radius of the balancer or straight across? Around. A flexible sewing tape or something similar works good. .0632683" = 1 degree so 36 degrees would be 2.2776" (2.278") and 38 degrees is 2.404" & you could cut 2 pieces of stiff wire & get em to that exact length with your 2-3" mike. 35 & 1/2 degrees just happens to be 2&1/4" which is easy to get w a sewing tape. I would check exact TDC first though. Cant assume nothing & thoroughness will enable you to top the guy in the next lane who does not have our (Mopar) dedication. live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: help 440 timing [Re: RapidRobert] #517862 11/07/09 10:20 AM 11/07/09 10:20 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,958 SW Fla. CYACOP master
CYACOP master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,958 SW Fla.	Quote: Quote: Is that 2 and a 1/4" around the radius of the balancer or straight across? Around. A flexible sewing tape or something similar works good. .0632683" = 1 degree so 36 degrees would be 2.2776" (2.278") and 38 degrees is 2.404" & you could cut 2 pieces of stiff wire & get em to that exact length with your 2-3" mike. 35 & 1/2 degrees just happens to be 2&1/4" which is easy to get w a sewing tape. I would check exact TDC first though. Cant assume nothing & thoroughness will enable you to top the guy in the next lane who does not have our (Mopar) dedication.

Re: help 440 timing [Re: stacks79] #517863 11/23/11 04:22 PM 11/23/11 04:22 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 392 Mississippi lahatte enthusiast
lahatte enthusiast Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 392 Mississippi	It boggles the mind, why they didn't put the timing tab on the battery side, where it's easy to see, and where you make all the connections.

Re: help 440 timing [Re: lahatte] #517864 11/23/11 04:46 PM 11/23/11 04:46 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA Montclaire master
Montclaire master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA	You could just do it by ear, I never used a timing light. If you've spent enough time around the car you know when you're good and when you're not.

Re: help 440 timing [Re: Montclaire] #517865 11/23/11 05:52 PM 11/23/11 05:52 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	my 440 does not have a belt runing down to the crank behind the wp pully,i think thats why it so hard to see with the light. remove the belt till you get it set if that will open up the veiw any. I use a vac gauge to get highest vac reading then look and see where its at,then adjust acordingly from there. mine set at the end edge of the tab and pulls 18" of vac at idle I sand balsted mine then marked with paint,then marked the damper with yellow. hardest thing for me was to remember when i steped up to a BB is the BB dist turns CCW and a SB turns CW and the tab has the ATDC and BTDC on opisite side of the scales glad to see you back,been a while

Re: help 440 timing [Re: scratchnfotraction] #517866 11/23/11 06:35 PM 11/23/11 06:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	clean that thing up..... it'll be much easier to see. I've painted white stripes on either side of the mark to make it easier to see. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: help 440 timing [Re: Montclaire] #517867 11/23/11 07:06 PM 11/23/11 07:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,979 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,979 U.S.S.A.	Quote: You could just do it by ear, I never used a timing light. If you've spent enough time around the car you know when you're good and when you're not.

Re: help 440 timing [Re: Mr.Yuck] #517868 11/23/11 07:06 PM 11/23/11 07:06 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	Hillbilly timing tape. Each mark is 15* apart. Bottom line is TDC, The others are 15 and 30* BTDC.

Re: help 440 timing [Re: JohnRR] #517869 11/23/11 07:13 PM 11/23/11 07:13 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	Quote: Quote: You could just do it by ear, I never used a timing light. If you've spent enough time around the car you know when you're good and when you're not. I have fixed more chebbys with a timeing light and vac gauge because they were set by ear few mopars as well,not knocking it,i do it myself and then check it with a light to see how close it is. the light does not lie and it is allways too far advanced have been my results Last edited by scratchnfotraction; 11/23/11 07:15 PM.

Re: help 440 timing [Re: scratchnfotraction] #517870 11/23/11 07:17 PM 11/23/11 07:17 PM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 31 TX G Gunner80 member
Gunner80 member G Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 31 TX	You have the later model water pump housing which is a right hand lower hose the earlier models had a left hand lower hose water pump housing and much easier to see

Re: help 440 timing [Re: Montclaire] #517871 11/23/11 09:13 PM 11/23/11 09:13 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,012 indiana M mcmopars super stock
mcmopars super stock M Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,012 indiana	Quote: You could just do it by ear, I never used a timing light. If you've spent enough time around the car you know when you're good and when you're not. really? i always use a timing light on performance engines to get the most out of what i have.now a 200 hp putt around i quess ear would be ok

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