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What color should the oil dip stick handle/loop and dip stick tube be?

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...Also do you know where you can get the correct drivers side Exhaust Manifold Gasket with the integral spark plug heat shield?

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What color should the oil dip stick handle/loop and dip stick tube be?

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Anyone who can answer this question above?

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I would like to know where you can get the black plastic covers for the carbs like Troy has in his pic?

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It would be great to have a set of those so that I could display with the air cleaner off!

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G-series drawing that has nothing to do with 1970 cars. The 1971 cars did not get built.

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I would like to know where you can get the black plastic covers for the carbs like Troy has in his pic?

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That is kinda cool huh?!? I made that out of aluminum strap and wood. It keeps the birds out of the carbs.

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That is kinda cool huh?!? I made that out of aluminum strap and wood. It keeps the birds out of the carbs.

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G-series drawing that has nothing to do with 1970 cars. The 1971 cars did not get built.

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Wouldn't this be applicable to the N95 cars built after this engineering drawing date - since the 1970 N95 cars were what all 71 model cars got for emissions controls?

Also isn't the washer bottle on a 70 Model E-Body supposed to have a square corner. The one on the car looks like a 71 model?

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yup - That is a '71 bottle, wrong battery cables, no paint on negative cable, spark plug wire holders or exhaust bolts...all minor things - easily corrected. Looks nice.

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yup - That is a '71 bottle, wrong battery cables, no paint on negative cable, spark plug wire holders or exhaust bolts...all minor things - easily corrected. Looks nice.

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.......you might want to check your notes and try again because you just failed the "T/A 101" class.

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Troy,
BUT, I gotta question the battery cables. The positive cable has the common grey starter relay lead of the cable that's still avail today,,, Shouldn't it be a medium brown color and a dished lead ends ..
If I'm wrong I apologies in advance

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The 1970 Washer Bottle is a one year only piece. I have seen plenty of early '71's with leftover 70 parts but I have never seen a '70 with '71 parts (from the factory) on them. The over the counter washer bottle replacement would have been the '71 style. After almost 40 years a replacement bottle would look like the right age. All '70 E-Bodies I have or have seen (Including all my T/A's and AAR's have the 70 style washer bottle.

Galino Groovy started the foolish myth that smallblock negative cables were not on the engine when painted...more BS. I have loads of proof that they were on and painted.

Wire holders - I have seen both ways but the paint did not stick well on those. Most I have had were painted.

I agree with others that stated an engine color dipstick tube and black handle - on a 70. The 69 340's tube and stick were painted Blue - engine color.

Misc. Stuff I have found...

The distributor hold-downs are copper plated.

The fuel pumps were painted on the engine.

The loose washer (found on many untouched cars) under the intake bolt (which have a captive washer) are brass or copper.

T/A's used Organosol on the cowl and fenders. The cowls were masked off and not free-hand as on other e-bodies.

Most Trans-Am (only) cars have 2 plugs in the floor similar to the rubber-steel plugs for the rear shock towers in the trunk but about half the diameter. I have never seen these on anything other than a Trans-Am car.

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Hi Jimmy, or is it Ed
Here is what I will do. I will try and address each question as you posted them and see if we can shed a little light on things.

First off the washer bottle. This is a fun one!! I don't know why but it seems like many of the late run T/As had the 71 bottles in them. Maybe it was a Hamtramak thing, maybe it was a T/A thing but I do know that none or the AARs had the 71 bottle, only the T/A.

Here is a picture of a very low milage T/A with a 71 bottle in it...

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corrections needed that I see on almost every restored E body.

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I picked out some bits of what you said. Never & always? So, were you actually there taking notes on every one of these cars as they were built? If so, why are you using "restored? cars for reference?

Some of us prefer using original cars for reference, but even then we know that cars were not always built exactly the same every time.

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The SPD & VIN have very little to do with when they were really built, so that is anyone's guess.

But, I can tell you that the low mile T/A did have four broadcast sheets in it, one was for a later car (if you go by the SPD & VIN).

The SPD of the low miler is 406. The sheet for the other car is 407. The VIN numbers are over 2000 apart. The broadcast sheet sequence numbers are only 12 apart. So, for whatever reason, the cars were actually built VERY close together regardess of the SPD & VIN & what most folks seem to assume.

It is a fascination of mine, I would like to know why they did it that way. The more folks that send in broadcast sheet info for 1970 Hamtramck cars, the better chance I have of figuring it out.

Barry

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I am pretty sure that is what I just said.

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Here is a photo of the cowl. You can see how the yellow goes over the top of the back paint. Even in this photo it look like a smooth black paint.

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Correct, the black was applied first, then masked off before the topcoat color. As Troy points out, you can see some bleed back of topcoat color under the masking.
Non TA/AAR cars had the blackout applied after topcoat color.

As for the type of black... my belief is it was organisol.
I have a perfect organisol sample on hand right now; it's a very fine texture, that can be easily mistaken for smooth especially if dirty & aged.
Logic... AAR's were painted in the same sequence... however, the AAR also had the fender tops, door & quarter upper edges sprayed at the same time as the cowl & fender banding. Why would two different kinds of black be used?

The real dead give away to identify it is to clean it well and look close to see the metallic flecks.

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The real dead give away to identify it is to clean it well and look close to see the metallic flecks.

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however, the AAR also had the fender tops, door & quarter upper edges sprayed at the same time as the cowl & fender banding. Why would two different kinds of black be used?

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The valve cover looks to be later with the raise circle in the front.

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Not sure what you mean by "later"? It is a 1970 car & the photo was taken in 1970.

The low mile T/A has the same style.

Since more than one style of washer bottle was available, I am sure it was pretty random as to which one ended up on which car.

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Here is a photo of the cowl. You can see how the yellow goes over the top of the back paint. Even in this photo it look like a smooth black paint.

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Correct, the black was applied first, then masked off before the topcoat color. As Troy points out, you can see some bleed back of topcoat color under the masking.
Non TA/AAR cars had the blackout applied after topcoat color.

As for the type of black... my belief is it was organisol.
I have a perfect organisol sample on hand right now; it's a very fine texture, that can be easily mistaken for smooth especially if dirty & aged.
Logic... AAR's were painted in the same sequence... however, the AAR also had the fender tops, door & quarter upper edges sprayed at the same time as the cowl & fender banding. Why would two different kinds of black be used?

The real dead give away to identify it is to clean it well and look close to see the metallic flecks.

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"Most Trans-Am (only) cars have 2 plugs in the floor similar to the rubber-steel plugs for the rear shock towers in the trunk but about half the diameter. I have never seen these on anything other than a Trans-Am car."

Not sure what your talking about here....I don't recall any trunk photos being shown. My trunk floor (and all the other sheet metal) in my car is original, nothing was ever replaced.

That should be it on that subject..

I will say this....I'm no expert when it comes to these cars or any other car but I do love them and respect them. Because of that I put alot of time into the researching them. I don't say things like "Always" "Never" and "Positively" because somebody will prove you wrong.

Jimmy and I started off on the wrong foot and I'm sorry for that. I had a bad day at work and I guess I popped off a little to quick so I'm sorry for calling you out.

Again I would like to thank Berry Washington (Alaskan TA) for all of his photos and knowledge. If anybody would like a CD that is FULL of photos of a VERY low milage T/A, just PM him, IT IS WORTH EVERY PENNY!!!

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The question I have been running through my mind is was there a stub hose attached or was it bare.

The one at Wellborn's has one and pictures of my car right out of the barn has none. I run with none and believe it correct.

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Literally pulled out of a barn in South Georgia in the early-mid-80s, in a reasonable state of originality. There is some incorrect items in the pictures from then and it is known that the shortblock was replaced under warranty in 72 with a non-TA 340. By no means an absolute reference but a was a very original lowish-milage car. That is why I ask about the vent tube, I have seen both ways but most every car has some many incorrect items that I can point out that I have not found one I consider proof. Troy's in a N95 car and although I used it for many things in my restoration it is no good for that question. Barry's DVD is the closest to proof, it has no hose either. I believe no hose but I figured I would ask since I had all the experts tuned in.

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Literally pulled out of a barn in South Georgia in the early-mid-80s, in a reasonable state of originality. There is some incorrect items in the pictures from then and it is known that the shortblock was replaced under warranty in 72 with a non-TA 340. By no means an absolute reference but a was a very original lowish-milage car. That is why I ask about the vent tube, I have seen both ways but most every car has some many incorrect items that I can point out that I have not found one I consider proof. Troy's in a N95 car and although I used it for many things in my restoration it is no good for that question. Barry's DVD is the closest to proof, it has no hose either. I believe no hose but I figured I would ask since I had all the experts tuned in.

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Kevin, here we are again, this car was 15 years old with an engine change before you saw it. That is hardly proof positive that is was built that way. It doesn't prove it didn't come that way either, just no wat to know for sure when the timeline stops in the mid 80's.

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