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Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: MoreParts] #504704
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Not a convertible, but I didn't think it made a difference.




Careful, that's a probably a pre production picture or drawing.

Kissalien owes some bumble bee striped cars. At least one A66 car, IIRC.

Any other original bumble bee striped 70 Challenger A66 or R/T's?? Or people who have sanded that area down?

Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: autoxcuda] #504705
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It may have the A63 package with the astrotone molding as well, from the same book;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1970/70_Challenger0024.jpg

The cars used in the data books had to have been made very early, some of the information in the data books is in error also.

Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #504706
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I got mine in 1976 and its still got a 1978 state inspection sticker on it. Never been restored it came with grill and headlight bezels blacked out and rear tailpanel blacked out stripe delete car.


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Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: Dodgeman55] #504707
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Got photos?

What time of year was it made?

Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: Alaskan_TA] #504708
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Built date 5/70 But due to this post I went and inspected my car and my blackout is over the red paint so not impossible someone done it in the 5 years before I got it if the only way it was done was done is before paint. So hope this helps but if you like the look of it blacked out and I do, DO IT !


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Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: Dodgeman55] #504709
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Built date 5/70 But due to this post I went and inspected my car and my blackout is over the red paint so not impossible someone done it in the 5 years before I got it if the only way it was done was done is before paint. So hope this helps but if you like the look of it blacked out and I do, DO IT !




My build date is 5/15/70. I've had it since early '90s and it's had one repaint, but I've always thought it was original. Particularly, because the way the top of the tail light bezels were blacked out.

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Built date 5/70 But due to this post I went and inspected my car and my blackout is over the red paint so not impossible someone done it in the 5 years before I got it if the only way it was done was done is before paint. So hope this helps but if you like the look of it blacked out and I do, DO IT !




My build date is 5/15/70. I've had it since early '90s and it's had one repaint, but I've always thought it was original. Particularly, because the way the top of the tail light bezels were blacked out.




This car's tail light bezels are blacked out too.


Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: autoxcuda] #504711
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Here's a pic of mine. I'm not claiming it to be original, but if someone can identify the way it's painted in the trunk as authentic or not, that could be of help.

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Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: MoreParts] #504712
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Based on the area circled, I would have to guess that your black out was done later or that little wedge where the panels join would be body color.

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Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: Alaskan_TA] #504713
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Original paint T/A, notice how the body color is over the black where the masking tape was not pressed in tight to follow the seam overlap;

Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: autoxcuda] #504714
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I bought an R/T S.E. in 1974 it had the tail panel done in a black textured paint... I rarely bother to post about it in these threads because some have made up their minds & refuse to believe they could be wrong.... Fact is about five years back I found the original tail panel off my R/T S.E. in my dads attic & offered to send it to Kissalien & he had no interest in seeing something that could contradict his belief...A couple years back in a similar thread there were at least six people who posted that they had owned R/T S.E.'s in the 70's & 80's that the panel was blacked out on... It has been pointed out that there is no special part number for a black panel... I say there are quite a few other parts that don't have a special part number... Or the manual tells you to use something that is different from the original part...


And FWIW it's just this kind of crap that makes me care even less about absolutely correct restos & building cars the way you the guy spending the money likes it to look....

Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #504715
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Are you talking about an aluminum SE tail panel (included with A63 & should be astrotone) painted black?

Or the steel body panel that the aluminum panel covered?

Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: Alaskan_TA] #504716
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As far as my car I will check it tomorrow and try too get pictures. But too add fuel to the fire I have an original 1970-71 parts catalog dated late Dec. 1971 and on page 23-242 there is a 1970 rtse with black out and on page 23-592 a 1971 r/t with black out also. I know there not convertibles just I do not think T/A s were the only ones.


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Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: Dodgeman55] #504717
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1971 is a seperate issue.

Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: Dodgeman55] #504718
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As far as my car I will check it tomorrow and try too get pictures. But too add fuel to the fire I have an original 1970-71 parts catalog dated late Dec. 1971 and on page 23-242 there is a 1970 rtse with black out and on page 23-592 a 1971 r/t with black out also. I know there not convertibles just I do not think T/A s were the only ones.




I don't see why there would be any correlation to Convertible or not. But there might be something to do with the SE panel A63 group or a time period thing.

The original poster asked was was original. "Do it whatever you like best" doesn't answer his question.

Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: Alaskan_TA] #504719
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Are you talking about an aluminum SE tail panel (included with A63 & should be astrotone) painted black?

Or the steel body panel that the aluminum panel covered?




I believe he is talking about the standard body panel.. I changed it with the A63/SE panel but my point is things were done by the factory that there may be no documentation of...

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As far as my car I will check it tomorrow and try too get pictures. But too add fuel to the fire I have an original 1970-71 parts catalog dated late Dec. 1971 and on page 23-242 there is a 1970 rtse with black out




I got mine out to take a look. Read the description on the next page for # 18. It is the aluminun finish panel that came with the SE.

Also see page 23-232, it shows the same part number on the T/A (see #10 on the next page) T/As did not get them of course.

Same part number again, see page 23-238, this one actually does look lighter as it should for an astrotone panel.

Edit, fixed part number referanace to 18 for page 23-242.

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Ebay is not the best reference, but Frank does know his part numbers;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/70-Dodge-...=item5d21e5667d

Compare that number (& photo) to the number in the parts book references above.

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As far as my car I will check it tomorrow and try too get pictures. But too add fuel to the fire I have an original 1970-71 parts catalog dated late Dec. 1971 and on page 23-242 there is a 1970 rtse with black out




I got mine out to take a look. Read the description on the next page for # 15. It is the aluminun finish panel that came with the SE.

Also see page 23-232, it shows the same part number on the T/A (see #10 on the next page) T/As did not get them of course.

Same part number again, see page 23-238, this one actually does look lighter as it should for an astrotone panel.


#15 on page 23-242 is the trim between the vinyl roof and body paint and all cars could get that. I am not talking part #s just look at the picture on 23-242 of the 1970 RTSE and do you think the tailpanel above the tailights is the same color as the rest of the car or not? But if you look on page 23-244 there is a 1970 R?T convertible that is not black out too get back to what the post was about.


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Re: Are 70 challenger r/t convertible black out on back [Re: Dodgeman55] #504723
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I mis-typed, see 18 on page 23-242.

My point was that they show the same part number but the photos do not show them to the the same color. The part number is for the aluminum trim panel that was painted astrotone.


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