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Re: 600+ HP 440 SB Mopar on pump gas.....
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10/12/09 04:47 PM
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Congrads  That thing is going to be a handful on the street  Ahhh yes, decent power small blocks really do exist.... Our 422" made about the same torque as your motor, but down 40 hp  I hope it's going behind a 4-speed 
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Re: 600+ HP 440 SB Mopar on pump gas.....
[Re: Brian Hafliger]
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10/12/09 07:22 PM
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Seems like it would be more. The unported 360-2 head assemlies with intake & rockers are around $3500 depending. I would think between the after market $2500 block and heads, your up to $6k and you would still have to purchase a rotating assembly, cam, carb, oil pan, and there's no machine work or assembly work paid for yet. Don't take this the wrong way, I love the engine, I just think it takes a few more $$ to get one as good as that one.
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Re: 600+ HP 440 SB Mopar on pump gas.....
[Re: Dragula]
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10/12/09 08:45 PM
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Yes, doing a new R3 & all new parts it certainly will be more than $13K carb to pan. Usually closer to $18-$19K depending on level of parts used. INDY sells their 440" 700 HP Bracket motors for around 18,500 Racer cost
The one's I've built have all been in the $16-$18K range without carbs, that's me supplying every part in motor new, using CNC ICH heads, Custom pistons, T&D's, roller cam setup & new race blocks.
Set of Roller spring CNC ICH heads with T&D's is almost $6K with head studs & intake....
New R3 is Almost $3K, & then $1K in machining to block..... so you got $10K in top end & a block alone. They get pricey in a hurry.... without a doubt a Big Block is way cheaper to build for same power. I think I only have like $6800 in the 448 INDY motor I have in my RR, & it makes around 580 HP.... could make easy high 600's with more compression & big solid roller. Prospective customer wanted me to get cost on duplicating it for him & it was only going to be in the $10K range his cost. The ability to use a $150 stock 440 block really helps VS the SB going with $3K race block all the time.
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Re: 600+ HP 440 SB Mopar on pump gas.....
[Re: Dragula]
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10/12/09 09:02 PM
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Seems like it would be more. The unported 360-2 head assemlies with intake & rockers are around $3500 depending. I would think between the after market $2500 block and heads, your up to $6k and you would still have to purchase a rotating assembly, cam, carb, oil pan, and there's no machine work or assembly work paid for yet. Don't take this the wrong way, I love the engine, I just think it takes a few more $$ to get one as good as that one.
Yep, your right! I meant to type 16K...I'm soooooooo tired...LOL! I am very busy with my newborn baby and I can't tell you how badly I crave sleep...and peeeaaaacceee!! LOL!!
It all depends on how much extra work you do and what kind of parts you use.
The FT cam deal shaves costs, as does using the heads OOTB vs. extra work to make them better.
Yes the block is the big deal!! Adds so much right off the top.
I do believe had he come to me first I could have gotten him to the 650HP level without too much trouble. And yes a BB is still cheaper at that level.
Like I said, to each their own...I see lots of guys build Hemi's because they're cool, not because they're the best bang for the buck or cheap 
Brian Hafliger
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Re: 600+ HP 440 SB Mopar on pump gas.....
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10/12/09 09:36 PM
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Indy heads don't flow what they advertise on my bench...but neither does anything else "advertised".
Only head I've seen come very close, is a TEA cnc ported trick flow 230cc head. It went a true 300cfm at .500 lift on my bench!
Alot has to do with bore size that you flow with, and the flow radius and clay work and how it sets up the airflow into the port.
This is why I like to flow heads with intakes on them.
After a different valve job and some cleanup in the bowl/chamber transition, they flow very well!
I still prefer the -1 heads hand ported. I think they work better.
Brian Hafliger
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Re: 600+ HP 440 SB Mopar on pump gas.....
[Re: Brian Hafliger]
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10/12/09 09:40 PM
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Indy heads don't flow what they advertise on my bench...but neither does anything else "advertised".
Only head I've seen come very close, is a TEA cnc ported trick flow 230cc head. It went a true 300cfm at .500 lift on my bench!
Alot has to do with bore size that you flow with, and the flow radius and clay work and how it sets up the airflow into the port.
This is why I like to flow heads with intakes on them.
After a different valve job and some cleanup in the bowl/chamber transition, they flow very well!
I still prefer the -1 heads hand ported. I think they work better.
Thanks Brian. Makes me feel better to know that I'm not the only one that had those results. Must be why most head suppliers have quit advertising flow numbers. I think Edelbrock's the only one that still does..
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Re: 600+ HP 440 SB Mopar on pump gas.....
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10/12/09 09:53 PM
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cnc 245 -1 flowed at sdss
.100 .......... 58.7 /39.7
.200 ...........129 /106
.300..215.......201 /150
.400..281.......260/189
.500..323.......305/207
.550..332.......322/214
.600..344.......334/219
.650..348.......338/222
.700..349.......329/225
... clean up...out of box
blend insert to port ,lost 9cfm with intake on ,the bench i used flowed close to S.D.S.S
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