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Re: Low Deck ?'s
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you hear yes more often than not 
if it has a 4.5 bore along with the ability to use hemi mains the application of it goes further. now if it didn't have a deep skirted block to free up some lost HP from oil slosh 
What about the cross-bolts Fred?
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that part of my reply was a hidden "Chevy style" reference
How much hp do you think is lost because of the skirt and how much hp are you looking to acheive?
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Please don't take offence to this but thats what everyone sayed about the 440. We are getting some sales that we are very very greatful for but I dont know if its the economy or what but it just doesnt seem like its there. So I guess my biggest question is is it worth the rest of my life savings to develop the low deck or is it better off in the hands of a different manufacturer. I'm not trying to rant but we are just trying to come out with stuff EVERYONE will want and keep it all in the USA. Thank You 
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Build it and they will buy! If it is a quality piece you should be having back-orders in no time. 4.5 bore a must and the hemi mains. Cross bolted all 5. Could you copy the KB blocks?? I am looking for one.
The low deck block that we had in mind would be exactly like our 440(with all the same features)
I'm not to sure about copying anyone though.
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that part of my reply was a hidden "Chevy style" reference
How much hp do you think is lost because of the skirt and how much hp are you looking to acheive?
I can't give any numbers but the B-1 boys in pro stock went to lengths in cutting out the passenger side of the block to increase the kick out. I still see some that way today.
I'll have to ask Dave or Scott Koffel
WOW Fred, thats a different approch, I have'nt herd of that being done before but if anyone can do it the KOFFELS can!!!
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Bear, why not consider something in a smallblock. An alum block that you could deliver inb either a 59 or 48 degree config, that wouldn't take a home mortgage to buy, I believe would sell great. There's other people doing big blocks but noone doing smallblocks. Remember the XR-2 promises. Think small and fill the pocketbook!!!
I'm not to sure about the small block stuff, if we did it would require ALL new tooling and the inital cost would be staggering, but still its not a bad idea sometime in the future
Is'nt MP planning on a project like that???
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I must have missed something,what block do you currently manufacture?
My request would be,aluminum or Compacted Graphite low deck,raised cam,4.60 bore,chevy main caps(non skirted block),hemi 99 main bearing journal diameter(you could always bore the mains bigger if need be),wedge or hemi head bolt pattern,priority main oiling and wet lifter bores,dual trans mounting pattern(chevy and mopar).
Will you sell many? Probably not,it's very specialized piece.They would need to be priced around $5.000 dollars to be competitive and still recoup your investment.
Casting blocks is very difficult and only a few foundry's can handle it.
Power level would be ProStock territory,1450++ naturally aspirated.
I wish you the best of luck and put me down for the first one if it has the features I listed above!!!!
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So I guess my biggest question is is it worth the rest of my life savings to develop the low deck or is it better off in the hands of a different manufacturer.
well as much as i'd like to see more block choices i'd have to look at this one in great depth. given the economy and number of people running chryslers i'd be reluctant to risk all that. yes there has/would be a market for a lo deck but would it be enough to offset the cost and make money? there seems to be a trend of larger and larger displacements and with the bb bore spacing it tends to come in stroke which favors a taller deck. currently there are more choices than ever for chrysler blocks although the lo deck afaik would only be available in aluminum from indy or KB who seems is still taking orders for and delivering blocks. it would be nice to have more lo deck choices but i don't know if i'd leverage my retirement on it.
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I must have missed something,what block do you currently manufacture?
My request would be,aluminum low deck,raised cam,4.60 bore,chevy main caps(non skirted block),hemi 99 main bearing journal diameter(you could always bore the mains bigger if need be),wedge or hemi head bolt pattern,priority main oiling and wet lifter bores,dual trans mounting pattern(chevy and mopar).
Will you sell many? Probably not,it's very specialized piece.They would need to be priced around $5.000 dollars to be competitive and still recoup your investment.
Casting blocks is very difficult and only a few foundry's can handle it.
I wish you the best of luck and put me down for the first one if it has the features I listed above!!!!
Sorry, I probably should have made that clearer.
We are Koleno Performance the manufacurers of the KP440
Your right it is a very specialized piece and you are also right that not many would sell, but there is sooo much more to it and I believe thats were alot of people dont understand. Everytime you change even one thing, it cost money.If you change the skirt, then you have to change the pattern, if you change the pattern you have to machine it diffrently, if you machine it differently you have to change the fixtures that the blocks are machined on.So as you can see everything effects everthing else (just like our economy  )
Thank you very much for your input and well wishes 
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