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Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... #478306
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I'm installing everything on this 383 for the first time. I put the alternator on the motor yesterday. The alt pulley is not lined up with the water pump pulley. So, I'm thinking that the routing for an A/C car is like this:

The 2 belts for the 2 groove pulley on the Alt connects around the 2 grooves on the A/C pulley and then down around 2 grooves on the Crank.

The 1 belt for the Power Steering pulley connects around the Water Pump pulley and around the Crank.

I'm not installing an Idler pulley so that would leave 1 groove empty on the Water Pump pulley and 1 groove empty on the Crank.

Correct?

Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: SeventySatellite] #478307
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Sounds right.

Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: SeventySatellite] #478308
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I'm installing everything on this 383 for the first time. I put the alternator on the motor yesterday. The alt pulley is not lined up with the water pump pulley. So, I'm thinking that the routing for an A/C car is like this:

The 2 belts for the 2 groove pulley on the Alt connects around the 2 grooves on the A/C pulley and then down around 2 grooves on the Crank.

The 1 belt for the Power Steering pulley connects around the Water Pump pulley and around the Crank.

I'm not installing an Idler pulley so that would leave 1 groove empty on the Water Pump pulley and 1 groove empty on the Crank.

Correct?



I dont think thats right
First 2 belts as you say.
The next is power steering pulley by its self.
The last is idler and waterpump. The power steering pump and waterpump pullys dont line up. If you dont install the idler pulley, how are you going to take up tension on the water pump?

Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: CYACOP] #478309
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I'm installing everything on this 383 for the first time. I put the alternator on the motor yesterday. The alt pulley is not lined up with the water pump pulley. So, I'm thinking that the routing for an A/C car is like this:

The 2 belts for the 2 groove pulley on the Alt connects around the 2 grooves on the A/C pulley and then down around 2 grooves on the Crank.

The 1 belt for the Power Steering pulley connects around the Water Pump pulley and around the Crank.

I'm not installing an Idler pulley so that would leave 1 groove empty on the Water Pump pulley and 1 groove empty on the Crank.

Correct?



I dont think thats right
First 2 belts as you say.
The next is power steering pulley by its self.
The last is idler and waterpump. The power steering pump and waterpump pullys dont line up. If you dont install the idler pulley, how are you going to take up tension on the water pump?





Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #478310
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Although missing an alternator/ac belt. Heres a shot of a 440 which is configured the same.

Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: CYACOP] #478311
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I think it would depend on the water pump pulley he's using.

Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: stumpy] #478312
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I think it would depend on the water pump pulley he's using.




But he needs the idler , with the correct for 1970 ... that's the car in his sig and his user name , A/C pulley and water pump set up , otherwise how do you take up the slack on the belt ??


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Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: JohnRR] #478313
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He may have a deeper pulley which would allow him to use the power steering for fan belt adjusment. We don't know if he has all factory original parts until he replies as to the alingment of the pulley grooves.If he has the short pulley then he will have to have the idler.

Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: stumpy] #478314
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He may have a deeper pulley which would allow him to use the power steering for fan belt adjusment. We don't know if he has all factory original parts until he replies as to the alingment of the pulley grooves.If he has the short pulley then he will have to have the idler.




Which deeper pulley ?

Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: JohnRR] #478315
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There are a number of water pump pulleys. Some are deeper some have more than one groove.

Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: stumpy] #478316
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I initially tried running a three belt A/C big block configuration as described by the OP. There is a two grove water pump pulley that one grove lines up with the P/S belt pulleys. The problem I ran into was that the clutch fan load causes belt slippage under acceleration. Just not enough belt to pulley contact. Ended up locating the correct single grove A/C water pump pulley and idler to run the fourth belt.

Started with this 3-belt set-up, belt slipped


Ended up with this oringinal 4-belt config. No more belt slippage for me.


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Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #478317
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Same deal for me...Ended up with the Bouchilon double groove WP pulley to pick up the pwr steering/crank as well as the idler...I'd smoke the belt on the single WP/idler every time the 6-bbl would kick in...

Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: screamindriver] #478318
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I've got a 2 groove water pulley and a 4 groove crank pulley.

I got the idea to run without an idler from Bouchillon's website info. At the bottom of the pulley checklist (the 2nd to last one):
http://www.bouchillonperformance.com/BPEpulleys.asp

Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: SeventySatellite] #478319
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I'm going to go ahead and use all 4 belts so everything will run tight.

Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: SeventySatellite] #478320
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Just so there’s no confusion, the 3-belt shared P/S-water pump configuration (as suggested by Bouchilon) did NOT work for me. The original BB A/C configuration with the single grove water pump pulley driven directly off the 4-grove crank pulley (with idler) resolved my belt slippage problem.
You can’t use the two grove w/p pulley in the 4-belt set-up as it interferes with the belt path for the crank to P/S pump belt.


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I've got the 3 belt with AC setup. Its marginal. If the PS belt is just short of too tight it doesn't squeal on acceleration. Often it does. I will try a Gates belt next as they are recommended as the "best".

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Just so there’s no confusion, the 3-belt shared P/S-water pump configuration (as suggested by Bouchilon) did NOT work for me. The original BB A/C configuration with the single grove water pump pulley driven directly off the 4-grove crank pulley (with idler) resolved my belt slippage problem.
You can’t use the two grove w/p pulley in the 4-belt set-up as it interferes with the belt path for the crank to P/S pump belt.




So the pictures you posted are the old way you had it, and the way you have it now is like the pic that DJE posted above?

Re: Need some help with belt routing on an A/C motor... [Re: SeventySatellite] #478323
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Yes, missed the picture posted by DJE first time, that is the factory original BB A/C 4-belt configuration (missing one of the compressor belts). I went to that configuration to resolve my belt slippage problem. I labeled the pics. I posted above.



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