Re: Rod ratio question?
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you can go to 6.300 rods (or longer)if you want. the pin in the oil rail doesn't bother me at all. i don't generally worry about rod ratio. 9" deck sb chevy's twist 8500 rpm with 1.0 c/h pistons. food for thought if you do the math on rod ratio.
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Re: Rod ratio question?
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I used to be a big advocate of the "long rod theory". I was always tryng to figure how long of rod it would take to reach 1.80-1.85 R/R. I also used to dream about DC/MP 10 second SB "packages" and believed everything Hot Rod magazine, etc. said was the latest big HP trick. Long rods may have some advantage in sustained high RPM oval track engines but, now believe their use in drag engines is little more than over-engineering. I still have a soft spot for 1.80:1 rod ratios but, now take any talk of big gains with a grain of salt. I'd try to keep pistons 1.200"-1.300" just for ring stability.
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Re: Rod ratio question?
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I have 4 inch stroke by 6.3 rods in my X block 422. I used log rods on purpose figuring they would help with side loading somewhat. i forget the compression height, but want to say 1.31ish..have to look it up.
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Re: Rod ratio question?
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Hey Fred , I had seen this before, I like the closing statement that anything under 1.6 ratio is considered a design screw up, I guess its stuff like this that keeps me asking questions with my 1.54 ratio, it seems that if ya shorten the compression height most skirts get shorter putting more load on the major thrust per area but with less angle force from a longer rod, who knows for sure what the forces are when you start changin things around
I have been running 6.125 chevy rods in most all of my stuff... the currant 405ci W-9 has a 6.125 rod on a 3.79 crank in a 9.200 deck block... my CP pistons are real short and the pin is in the oils ring area, been turning 8200 rpm since day 1. I use to pull it apart every year to check for wear... now days it hasnt been apart in a couple of years... I still do a leak check every once in a while during the season. BTW, its been alot higher than 8200 rpm but I didnt make any more power(needs more cam)
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Re: Rod ratio question?
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Thankx Mike, your running a better block than the one we are foolin with , When I get the sonic #s back I will know what I have to work with, I was thinking of dropin back .020 on bore size to 4.040 to try to keep more meat on the walls and this whole rod thing is up in the air till it makes sense to me
I used the same rods and crank in my production block 396 ci.... still turned 8200 (same as in length and stroke)
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Re: Rod ratio question?
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What wall thickness on major thrust were you running with around what bob weight?
I dont recall... its my W-2 engine thats my back up. It's a .030 over bore and the bob was in the range of 1800 (I think)... been a while since I built that one, it ran my car 9.56
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Re: Rod ratio question?
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my 59* X block has a 4.070 bore X 4.00 stroke with a deck height of 9.350 running a 6.125 chevy h beam rod Diamond pistons with a 1.225 compression height the pin is into the oil ring the bob weight was 1891 so far it has only been 1/8 mile so it has only seen 7000 so far and I havnt had any problems as of yet.
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