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On a 59* x block what is the longest rod that will work with a 4" crank. and what are the negative points on running the oil rail in he pin hole? What are some of your opinions on high output high rpm rod ratio and side loading, is it worth the trouble to increase a ratio of 1.54 to as long as possible, I am lookin to turn to 8k @ 675hp with max torque around 600@ 5500 with 410 cid, all opinions welcome good or bad, before I spend the time on this one if anyone has a better Idea nows the time to share, thankx

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you can go to 6.300 rods (or longer)if you want. the pin in the oil rail doesn't bother me at all. i don't generally worry about rod ratio. 9" deck sb chevy's twist 8500 rpm with 1.0 c/h pistons. food for thought if you do the math on rod ratio.

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Thankx Dram, I am still lookin for more info on this topic , cant make up my mind on this side loading thing, any easy combos out there with a longer rod? or is this even worth messin with for a 8k small block @ this power level?

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I used to be a big advocate of the "long rod theory". I was
always tryng to figure how long of rod it would take to reach
1.80-1.85 R/R.

I also used to dream about DC/MP 10 second SB "packages" and
believed everything Hot Rod magazine, etc. said was the latest
big HP trick.

Long rods may have some advantage in sustained high RPM oval
track engines but, now believe their use in drag engines is little
more than over-engineering.

I still have a soft spot for 1.80:1 rod ratios but, now take any
talk of big gains with a grain of salt.

I'd try to keep pistons 1.200"-1.300" just for ring stability.


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Thankx Vic. I got what your saying, Not lookin for any power gains just tryin to keep it together @8k , that should be the power limit of my heads and big roller anyway, Dont have the rods and pistons yet so I thought I would ask around here on the ratio thing, Looks like I can go to 1.6 ish with out reinventing the wheel but dont know if its worth messin with, I will have sonic #s on the new block next week so I will have some Ideas where this build is goin

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I've got 6.4" rods in my X block with a 3.91 crank. I'm sure you could go to a 6.4 with no problem.

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I have 4 inch stroke by 6.3 rods in my X block 422. I used log rods on purpose figuring they would help with side loading somewhat. i forget the compression height, but want to say 1.31ish..have to look it up.


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Hey Fred , I had seen this before, I like the closing statement that anything under 1.6 ratio is considered a design screw up, I guess its stuff like this that keeps me asking questions with my 1.54 ratio, it seems that if ya shorten the compression height most skirts get shorter putting more load on the major thrust per area but with less angle force from a longer rod, who knows for sure what the forces are when you start changin things around

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Hey Fred , I had seen this before, I like the closing statement that anything under 1.6 ratio is considered a design screw up, I guess its stuff like this that keeps me asking questions with my 1.54 ratio, it seems that if ya shorten the compression height most skirts get shorter putting more load on the major thrust per area but with less angle force from a longer rod, who knows for sure what the forces are when you start changin things around




I have been running 6.125 chevy rods in most all of
my stuff... the currant 405ci W-9 has a 6.125 rod
on a 3.79 crank in a 9.200 deck block... my CP pistons
are real short and the pin is in the oils ring area,
been turning 8200 rpm since day 1. I use to pull it
apart every year to check for wear... now days it
hasnt been apart in a couple of years... I still do
a leak check every once in a while during the season.
BTW, its been alot higher than 8200 rpm but I didnt
make any more power(needs more cam)

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Thankx Mike, your running a better block than the one we are foolin with , When I get the sonic #s back I will know what I have to work with, I was thinking of dropin back .020 on bore size to 4.040 to try to keep more meat on the walls and this whole rod thing is up in the air till it makes sense to me

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Thankx Mike, your running a better block than the one we are foolin with , When I get the sonic #s back I will know what I have to work with, I was thinking of dropin back .020 on bore size to 4.040 to try to keep more meat on the walls and this whole rod thing is up in the air till it makes sense to me




I used the same rods and crank in my production block
396 ci.... still turned 8200 (same as in length and
stroke)

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What wall thickness on major thrust were you running with around what bob weight?

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What wall thickness on major thrust were you running with around what bob weight?




I dont recall... its my W-2 engine thats my back up.
It's a .030 over bore and the bob was in the range of
1800 (I think)... been a while since I built that one,
it ran my car 9.56

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my 59* X block has a 4.070 bore X 4.00 stroke with a deck height of 9.350 running a 6.125 chevy h beam rod Diamond pistons with a 1.225 compression height the pin is into the oil ring the bob weight was 1891 so far it has only been 1/8 mile so it has only seen 7000 so far and I havnt had any problems as of yet.


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Well whats the general opinion on the weak link on a 59* stroker, if you run a good crank and a light bob weight say under 1600 and .180 major thrust where is the failure point over 600hp?







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