Re: How to get trans to shift at a higher rpm?
[Re: ademon]
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09/06/09 08:47 PM
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I'm not an expert on what rpm an original 340 727 trans shifted at in drive, but 4800-5000 rpm is what I would expect out of a good 727 car trans that has a Transgo TF2 kit in it.
I have bought the governor weights to correct the shift point. You have to talk with Rick at A&A about what he thinks is the right governor weight. Choosing the right weight depends on how your trans is built, your tire size, and your choice of gear. Turning up the line pressure in the trans can also raise the shift point.
If Rick specs out the governor weight and it doesn't suit your need, he will exchange it until you hit the shift point you require.
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Re: How to get trans to shift at a higher rpm?
[Re: gd9704]
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09/06/09 09:56 PM
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How involved is changing out the governor?
AND will changing the governer weight change the shift RPM at part throttle??
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Re: How to get trans to shift at a higher rpm?
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09/06/09 10:17 PM
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How involved is changing out the governor?
AND will changing the governor weight change the shift RPM at part throttle??
Jack up car, support the trans, remove driveshaft & trans crossmember & mount, remove speedo gear, remove two Phillips screws holding cover hidden by trans mount.. Remove six bolts holding tailshaft housing.. Spread snap ring tabs behind cover held by two Phillips screws & slide tail housing off trans... Now you'll see the governor... Remove one "E" clip & one snap ring remove old Governor weight replace with new... Reverse process...
Yes a lighter governor weight will effect part throttle because the governor is a centrifugal weight/valve trying to overcome hydraulic pressure...By reducing the weight it needs to spin faster to overcome the same hydraulic force....
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Re: How to get trans to shift at a higher rpm?
[Re: BSB67]
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09/06/09 10:51 PM
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Changing the gov will change the light throttle shift rpm too. Rick will need to ask you a few questions about your setup before he will suggest a gov kit. Also, ask Rick about the Split-Shift spring kit becuase you will most likely need it once you have the new gov in. This kit contains some springs that you will need to swap out in yoour VB. If you installed your TF-2 kit, then you can EASILY swap one of these springs out in the 1-2 shift piston to tune the WOT shift differences between the 1-2 WOT and the 2-3 WOT shifts. In other words, once you add the new gov and your goal is to get both the 1-2 and the 2-3 WOT shift points to the same rpm. If the new gov makes a large difference in shift points (lets say 5400/5800rpms), then the kit will have a spring (with instructions) that may allow the shift points to become closer (maybe 5600/5800rpms). I have used two of the A-A gov's and each time I wanted to get both WOT shifts within a 100rpm difference, I had to use the A-A Split-Shift spring kit to get me close (if I remember right, both times I was within 200rpms). Then to get my shift points even closer (I was beening anal about it), I bought some springs from a spring manufacturer once I measured a couple of the 1-2 shift springs. Then after some testing I was able to get both my shifts points to the same rpm. You can also use the line pressure to gain/lose shift rpms too.
I am a huge fan of tuning the shift points in an auto car. The valve body can be fine tuned just like the carb and the ignition of a car.
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Re: How to get trans to shift at a higher rpm?
[Re: John_Kunkel]
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09/07/09 04:44 PM
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How involved is changing out the governor?
A lot more involved than just shifting manually at the desired RPM.
True... 
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Re: How to get trans to shift at a higher rpm?
[Re: demonH1B]
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I too vote to shift manually at wot.
I don't vote for manually shifting at WOT & likely neight does Mr Kunkle... The statement is about how difficult it is to install a governor vs manually shifting... Manually selecting 1st geat applies the low/reverse band.. Thats a good thing when launching the car, especially if you have some serious HP but at the point the 1-2 shift occurs the band must release or there will be a shift overlap (Two gears applied at the same time) Torqueflights are prone to shift overlap without applying manual low why add to the difficulty.. 
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Re: How to get trans to shift at a higher rpm?
[Re: John_Kunkel]
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09/08/09 08:41 PM
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How involved is changing out the governor?
A lot more involved than just shifting manually at the desired RPM.
Love that. 
I guess I'll wait until I HAVE to take the trans out before messing with the governor.
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