Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :(
[Re: Rick_Ehrenberg]
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09/05/09 07:14 PM
09/05/09 07:14 PM
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Its been converted to pretty much a stock electronic ignition setup.
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I'd check rotor phasing ....
I'd sure consider reversing the two pickup coil wires, then resetting the timing. Been an occasional Mopar problem for 37 years.
Rick
I had this happen to me when I installed a curved FBO distributor. Once I tried reversing the pickup wires, it ran awesome. (You can use a set of alligator clipped leads to try this without hacking wires)
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Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :(
[Re: derekeh]
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09/07/09 06:48 AM
09/07/09 06:48 AM
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when they trued the heads, how much did they take off? Did they mill the intake to match? could be that at low rpms its not enough to cause a vac leak, but at hi rpms its pulling crankcase vapors! Had a 440-6 with that problem.
also if you have a raytek gun check the temp on header tubes while a friend keeps it revving to the miss occurs...the cold tube is the one thats not firing...and go from there!
Did you have the cam drive gear out? is it put back in correctly?
Do you have a good timing light? If it wont run till 10 deg atdc somethings wrong with the timing, whether the dots werent quite straight and your a tooth or 2 off...set dampner to tdc on the compression stroke...use a compression whistle to be sure. make sure #1 intake and exh pushrods and rockers have zero preload on them ( meaning the rockers feel loose and not compressing the valve spring at all) if they are you have a cam timing issue! then mark your dist to the ctr of the #1 plug tower, remove cap and make sure the rotors pointing at it (straight at it)if its close set it to it. reassemble and start engine itll run at tdc set timing to spec.
The problem i see here is you had a skip before (suspected dead hole) but not positive, now youve changed a hundred things, and the same problem is still occuring weve ruled out compression, but you have to step back and start at the basics if timing is all how it should be, id be looking at the carb next!
"Are you gonna bark all day lil doggy? Or are you gonna bite?"
05 ram 2500 ctd 74 gremlin x 360 65 mustang 347 70 coronet R/T 440 03 Mach 1
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Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :(
[Re: derekeh]
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09/08/09 04:24 PM
09/08/09 04:24 PM
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As far as I know its the factory cam so Im sure it has a lot of wear. I have a new cam/lifters/springs but I just wanted to break in this engine first to make sure it was going to do fine before I stuck the new cam in. I was told the heads were fine along with the valves. How can I check to make sure the valves are seating fine without removing the head? Also what is reluctor phasing?
A simple test for valve seal would be to run a compression test. A better tool is a leak down tester. With a leak down tester, you can hear the air escaping if a valve is bad.
Reluctor phasing is basically having the reluctor tooth line up with the pick up at the same time the rotor lines up with a terminal on the cap. This is mostly done when the mechanical weights are locked out and the distributor is set to full advance.
It also has an effect with non locked out distributors. If the reluctor phasing is off, the rotor alignment might be off. there are two slots machined into the reluctor, one for big blocks and the other for small blocks. These are identified by the arrows indicating rotation direction. There were reluctors available at one time with multiple slots so you could play around with the phasing.
To check it, get an old cap and put about a 1" hole in the top of the cap near number 1 terminal. Connect a timing light and start the car. Rev the engine as you flash the light in the hole and observe where the rotor lines up. You would then machine a new slot in the rotor so that it stays near the terminal throughout the advance curve.
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Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :(
[Re: derekeh]
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09/09/09 09:26 PM
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make sure the piston on number one is at tdc...the set the cam so the lifters for number one intake and exhaust are on the heel of the cam lobe and both valve are fully closed, ive seen some t chains have to be set with the cam dot on the top and the crank dot also on top...in line but not next to each other...i might also pull the lifters to make sure you dont have a wiped out cam lobe, youll have good compression if your intake valves arent opening but you will still have a "dead hole"
"Are you gonna bark all day lil doggy? Or are you gonna bite?"
05 ram 2500 ctd 74 gremlin x 360 65 mustang 347 70 coronet R/T 440 03 Mach 1
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Re: Help. Cant get engine to stop missing :(
[Re: derekeh]
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09/11/09 05:09 PM
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Okay I MAY have found the problem. When I put the piston at TDC the two dots are lined up on the timing gears. The intake valve is closed but the exhaust valve is slightly opened. So does this mean I cant go by the dots and I need to move the cam gear over a tooth?
Don't forget there are two times that the piston is at top dead center. Once at the beginning of the power stroke and right after the exhaust stroke. The exhaust valve will be just closing and the intake will start to open, depending on the overlap.
There a two spots where the gears dots are lined up (crank dot at the top, cam dot at the bottom or at the top)
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