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Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: AndyF] #432306 02/18/10 12:20 PM 02/18/10 12:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,840 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,840 S.E. Michigan	Quote: Here is a picture of the tensioner after just a few hours of operation. The tensioners definitely don't like alot of rpm, this is not the first I've heard of that issue.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: ZIPPY] #432307 02/18/10 01:39 PM 02/18/10 01:39 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,995 Oregon	I'm sure the style of chain is a big variable. The parts from the last engine show four grooves that clearly match the tie bars in the chain. A link style chain will have a much smoother backside and should work just fine with a tensioner. The new chain that I'm putting in this 427 is from Pro Gear and it is smoother on the back than the Comp Cams chain that was in there. But I still decided to skip the tensioner on this build.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: AndyF] #432308 02/18/10 02:24 PM 02/18/10 02:24 PM
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ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,840 S.E. Michigan	Oh yeah, a link style chain will act alot less like a chainsaw. That was going to be my next comment, but I didn't think anyone would ever want to use a stock style chain, so....

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: Devilbrad] #432309 02/18/10 05:09 PM 02/18/10 05:09 PM
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CRIKEY super gas C Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 702 OZ	I have checked 3 different engines that use the tensioner with no wear at all. But I only use IWIS flat link chains

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: ZIPPY] #432310 02/22/10 12:55 AM 02/22/10 12:55 AM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,995 Oregon	Engine is getting closer to the dyno. Have a couple of nagging problems. Oil pan gasket doesn't fit very well and neither did the intake gaskets. Just little things but they chew up time to fix. 5822466-427.jpg (154 downloads)

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: AndyF] #432311 02/22/10 01:34 AM 02/22/10 01:34 AM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,465 So Cal	I figured this belongs over in this thread rather than the one about gaskets... Quote: We have a few different pans for the motor. Kevko, Milodon, dry sump, etc. Probably going to end up with a custom built Kevko by the time we're done. Are you going with a pan that sit no lower than the K-member? There's people interested in this kind of pan if Kevko make it available. Would a Milodon big block road race pan bottom work if adapted to a small block pan? Or would anything with side kick outs run into header issues? Milodon says the big block road race pan sells, but they have have no current interest in a small block one. Maybe some persuasion?? Last edited by autoxcuda; 02/22/10 01:36 AM.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: autoxcuda] #432312 02/22/10 02:48 AM 02/22/10 02:48 AM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,995 Oregon	Tim has designed a low profile pan with kickouts that fits in his chassis. Should have it in a week or so and we'll see how it fits. The last Kevko pan fit okay and had some really nice features as well as a few minor problems. The Milodon hangs too low for the car but it will be a nice dyno pan. The dry sump pan doesn't fit in the chassis. I think we need to go dry sump in the long run but that isn't what we're doing this time around. I think the big block road race pan lower assembly could be welded to a SB pan. I've thought of doing it myself but haven't done it. I've thought of asking Milodon to do it but haven't yet. Moroso can also build something that will work as could Charlie. Just need a drawing, some money and some time!

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: AndyF] #432313 02/22/10 03:24 AM 02/22/10 03:24 AM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,465 So Cal	Quote: Tim has designed a low profile pan with kickouts that fits in his chassis. Should have it in a week or so and we'll see how it fits. The last Kevko pan fit okay and had some really nice features as well as a few minor problems. Could they put it in production with a price like their brand X road race pans? Do you think it's good enough to not need an accusump for?? Quote: I think the big block road race pan lower assembly could be welded to a SB pan. I've thought of doing it myself but haven't done it. I've thought of asking Milodon to do it but haven't yet. I've asked Milodon. But I think he needs to see other more qualified demand. And maybe if you were doing a magazine article to get the word out?? I could schlep over a whole loose K-member and steering for trail fiting. He's probably got a block. They are about 2 mile away. Plus I see him at club meetings. Last edited by autoxcuda; 02/22/10 03:32 AM.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: AndyF] #432314 02/22/10 10:34 AM 02/22/10 10:34 AM
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MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: BLP (Bo Laws) makes steel AN 3/8" to -10 & -12 like you were looking for.... About 4.4" long. I've never been comfortable going down to -8's. I got the fittings from BLP. Nice quality stuff, thanks for the tip. OK what part # are your fittings and R they Aluminum or steel? Matt

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: MattW] #432315 02/22/10 11:30 AM 02/22/10 11:30 AM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,995 Oregon	Steel fittings. Part numbers are on their website.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: autoxcuda] #432316 02/22/10 11:31 AM 02/22/10 11:31 AM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,995 Oregon	I'll ask Ken at Milodon if they are willing to do a small block road race pan for the project we're working on.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: auto-xr] #432317 02/22/10 01:16 PM 02/22/10 01:16 PM
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RyanJ moparts member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,547 State College, PA	Only pulled 1 motor apart W/ torn up tensioner, I assume it was from lack of assembly lube on chain/tensioner when it was assembled (I did'nt build it originally, so I don't know for sure). I have same one on a circle track motor for past 5 years..... 7600-7800 RPM all night long with a rollmaster. It looks same today as day I installed it first time. You need to lube the hell out of chain/tensioner when assembling... The chains hardly get any oil, so break in is where the issue is going to come in @, can't install one dry & expect it to live. Just my I put one on every engine that I build with a chain.... Motor looks good as always Andy.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: RyanJ] #432318 02/22/10 04:22 PM 02/22/10 04:22 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,995 Oregon	Could've been a lube thing. One this motor we drilled a small hole in the camshaft thrust plate to spray oil inside the timing chain cover. I don't think the last motor had that mod so maybe it ran a little dry. One thing I've learned over the years about building motors is that the little tiny details really matter! All it takes is one tiny issue in the wrong place and everything can come undone in a hurry.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: AndyF] #432319 02/23/10 04:08 AM 02/23/10 04:08 AM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,465 So Cal	Quote: I'll ask Ken at Milodon if they are willing to do a small block road race pan for the project we're working on. I can offer Ken early or late k-members, steering linkage, steering gears, a 68 Dart w/small block... Our office I work from is 3 buildings over from Milodon and I live about 2 miles away. Steve, the owner, is in our car club and I know him well. What is the basic design of the pan your are thinking of: headers that will fit, stock k-member fitment, trap doors, baffle system ...? I can work on pre orders from Mopax list Mopar racers that need this type of pan that priced, $379, like thier big block pan. Milodon Big Block pan reference picture:

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: autoxcuda] #432320 02/23/10 11:51 AM 02/23/10 11:51 AM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,995 Oregon	I'd think most people would be running TTi headers on a car like this with stock steering. People are usually willing to open up the K frame a bit for more clearance but not change the steering or change headers. The big block road race pan is a really nice design but it might be too wide for small block headers. I don't have the car in my shop at the moment so I can't do any measurements right now.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: AndyF] #432321 02/23/10 01:23 PM 02/23/10 01:23 PM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,465 So Cal	Quote: I'd think most people would be running TTi headers on a car like this with stock steering. People are usually willing to open up the K frame a bit for more clearance but not change the steering or change headers. TTI or Thorley. Mostly TTI. How much opening up of the K-member? Modifying the lip a little for clearance or making a square cutout like some do for drag pans. I think the more cutting, the more you limit your buying audiance. They say the big block road race pans sell well. I don't know of anyone really running big block and road racing/autox it. The market for the big block road race is sort of a mystery to me. I wonder if people buy them just to HAVE an aftermarket pan AND good ground clearance. Quote: The big block road race pan is a really nice design but it might be too wide for small block headers. I don't have the car in my shop at the moment so I can't do any measurements right now. Good point, I worry about that. I wish they had a bare big block bottom that could be quickly mocked up against the assembled with headers deplay motor at TTI. Something quick just to check feasiblity. Andy, do you think a pan like this could eliminate the need of an accusump? Or it's need at certain levels. Last edited by autoxcuda; 02/23/10 01:31 PM.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: autoxcuda] #432322 02/25/10 01:32 PM 02/25/10 01:32 PM
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Overdrive440 member O Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 168 Manitoba, Canada	I don't suppose one of those pan setups would fit a 64-66 A-body too, would it?

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: AndyF] #432323 03/08/10 02:04 AM 03/08/10 02:04 AM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,995 Oregon	Almost ready to go. 5851802-cover.jpg (188 downloads)

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: AndyF] #432324 03/08/10 02:40 AM 03/08/10 02:40 AM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,465 So Cal	Quote: Almost ready to go. Is that water pump just for the dyno? What about Tim's copper tubing breather system? I guess that doesn't look cool for magazine pics.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: autoxcuda] #432325 03/08/10 11:39 AM 03/08/10 11:39 AM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,995 Oregon	Electric water pump is just for the dyno. I don't know if Tim is going to stick with the copper tube setup for the breathers or not. I have some Milodon covers with breathers that I think would work. We'll just have to see once we get the engine in the car.

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