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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: joeshmo] #39174
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Has anyone had experience dealing with small rust holes? My dad says that I should just stick ducttape on the back of the panel and bondo over it, I have also heard something about fiberglass reconstruction. I can't mig weld nor is the car worth enough for me to invest in someone who could.




The problem with that surface rust is that they probably have eaten all the way through. A disk angle grinder could chew through that rust etc and you would find out pretty quickly how extensive the problem is. And if you were going to lay down a new fiberglass skin, well having that entire surface grounded down is going to be needed anyhow.

If I was looking at that problem on one of my lower rear quarters... here is the recipe I would probably take to go at it:

a ) use an angle grinder and chew that panel down to as much metal showing as possible. You can use a very coarse grinding surface to really rip the paint and rust off it down to metal ( while also leaving a fairly chewed up surface for the fiberglassing to adhere to.

b ) take out a sheet of fiberglass and trim it to cover fully the surface and the edges. Now make a second sheet identical to the first one. Soak the first fibreglass sheet in the resin preparation and slap it over the entire surface. Then for good measure, take the the second sheet of fiberglass, soak it in the resin preparation and slap it on. The second sheet should end up with a smoother overall surface.

c ) let it fully cure.

d ) get a can of spray on anti-rust chemical and now soak like h*ll the back surface to stop the metal from trying to reform rust underneath the fiberglass.

e ) you should be able at this point to lay on a thin skin of bondo just to smooth out the surface and work out any imperfections in the overall look of the fiberglassed area.


------ the problem with the duct tape behind the hole and bondo over the hole solution is that it might only have a 1 year or two year lifespan before it comes back to haunt you.

------ the absolute best way to go around the problem is to replace that section with a new skin of metal - whether a new replacement skin designed for that spot... OR... maybe you could located that particular section in good shape at an autowrecker. Trim the piece out, rivet it in and then bondo over the rivets etc.

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: Marq] #39175
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I know its a bit off topic but this is a BIG part of my car getting done. Since my roof had so many dents I decided to solve the problem with a "ragtop" kit. I had to save all summer for it and spend every penny I had but it was worth it. It just showed up at my door yesterday!



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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: Marq] #39176
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This is a long term update to My use of roll on paint jobs. I first posted on the thread back in May of 2007 and showed pictures of my 1973 Ranchero Squire Cobra Jet that I had painted in early 2007. Now that it has been almost three years since I painted it I thought some people would like to see how it has held up to almost three years of exposure to Mountain weather without the aid of a garage.

Original photo when I first got the car home in December of 2006


As it looked in early 2007 after being pained.



Through 2 Winters


<img src="http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/765212
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The only noticeable change was to some slight fading of the stain on the top edges of the squire trim molding from the winter snow.
This was easily touched up without even having to remove the trim.


[img]http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/735558/fullsize/1.jpeg[/img]
I also had to do a minor touch up on the hood after it was scratched from the protect-o-top bed cover being blown off and over the car during a wind storm. The sanding and repaint were done within 24 hours. Something I would not have been able to do with a conventional spray paint job.

Here is how it looks now almost three years later. Regular polishing and waxing and it is still looking good.



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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: trikar] #39177
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Also, here is the 1973 Cougar Convertible I painted October of 2008 using Rust-Oleum Sunburst Yellow and Gloss Black.

Before paint


After paint





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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: trikar] #39178
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Also, here is the 1973 Cougar Convertible I painted October of 2008 using Rust-Oleum Safety Yellow and Gloss Black.




It's kind of neat seeing how the original Cougar ( which looked like a family-mobile ) turned into something way-more-sporty with just a color change. It changed the entire personality of the Cougar - in a good way

Thanks for the update.

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: Marq] #39179
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Also, here is the 1973 Cougar Convertible I painted October of 2008 using Rust-Oleum Safety Yellow and Gloss Black.




It's kind of neat seeing how the original Cougar ( which looked like a family-mobile ) turned into something way-more-sporty with just a color change. It changed the entire personality of the Cougar - in a good way

Thanks for the update.




I agree, when I first decided on painting it I wanted to do something that would be better at bringing out the body lines on this car and I think I accomplished that. I think the biggest difference was on the rear end appearance. I know some hard core Cougar fans don't like the idea of pained bumpers but on this model I think it improves the appearance.

Here is what an OEM bumper finish looks like on a '73 Cougar. I think it looks awkward.


Here is mine after paint.


As it turns out according to the Marti Report I have on My Cougar it is one of only 88 1973 Cougar Convertibles that was originally painted bright Yellow.

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: trikar] #39180
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... I think the biggest difference was on the rear end appearance. I know some hard core Cougar fans don't like the idea of pained bumpers but on this model I think it improves the appearance.





How did you paint the chrome? What sort of prep was required?

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chrome? What sort of prep was required?



Sand it lightly and apply a coat of etching primer, then prep like any other body panel.

I did the bumpers on my '69 Camaro back in '86 and they still look good.

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Sand it lightly and apply a coat of etching primer, then prep like any other body panel.

I did the bumpers on my '69 Camaro back in '86 and they still look good.




My understanding (from conventional body / paint wisdom) is that a self-etching primer then requires a normal primer over top of it. Is this what you did?

Also, in keeping with the rolled-on, brushed-on nature of this discussion -- can anyone suggest a good self-etching primer which they have either rolled or brushed -- or found in a spray can?

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There are several types of primer. I used what's called a wash primer, and it did require another primer over it. That other primer in my case was a primer sealer that normally goes on before paint is sprayed on. I didn't need any primer surfacers.

There are also etching primer surfacers that are suited for application directly over bare metal. I have been out of that world for ~25 years though so I can't really recommend a specific product by name since I'm sure they've all changed by now.

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: _Scott_] #39184
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just got this done today







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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: THEYOUNGGUN53] #39185
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top of my head would get sunburnt though...

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: RoboGeek] #39186
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well since the car doesn't have AC this will help a lot! Plus the roof had quite a few dents, the ragtop took care of that


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: joeshmo] #39187
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Has anyone had experience dealing with small rust holes? My dad says that I should just stick ducttape on the back of the panel and bondo over it, I have also heard something about fiberglass reconstruction. I can't mig weld nor is the car worth enough for me to invest in someone who could. Here is a picture:

It is on my rear quarter panel, roughly two inches by maybe an inch tall. Rusted straight through the panel. Any help? Thanks!





Use this stuff works fine for what you want to do.
http://www.evercoat.com/productDetail.aspx?pID=38

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: 69DartGT] #39188
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roof is in primer right now, 2 coats rolled on straight. (no MS added) Next is wet sanding and then paint!



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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: THEYOUNGGUN53] #39189
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water your flowers!!! lol

Thats gonna be a nice bug.. gonna lower it at all? Give it that nice cali bug rake?

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: _Scott_] #39190
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tt455,

It looks like you need more dry time. A soft paint will not polish well. The harder it is, the easier it will be to bring out a nice shine.

Not many people have been ambitious enough to tackle black. I suspect that's why we haven't seen a lot more of these "hazy" problems. Black and other dark colors are going to show those types of problems more prominently than lighter colors.




You where so right with the dry time.I waited 2 weeks and yesterday I buffed,and today I used the turtle wax scratch and swirl remover. All the haze came out, I am so blown away with the results. There is a shot with the trunk where the right side is done and the left shows the swirls.The rest of the pics are after polishing. It came out so good,I'm thinking of painting the whole car now.





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water your flowers!!! lol

Thats gonna be a nice bug.. gonna lower it at all? Give it that nice cali bug rake?




probably not, but I will be putting widend smoothie rims on once I get the money


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: _Scott_] #39192
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Has anyone used marine topside paint such as interlux or epifanes over rustoleum primer? I will be going from metallic blue gray to cream, and will need a lot of primer. Using rustoleum for the primer layer would save a lot of money vs epifanes or interlux primer.

Thanks!

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: NevadaTim] #39193
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Has anyone used marine topside paint such as interlux or epifanes over rustoleum primer? I will be going from metallic blue gray to cream, and will need a lot of primer. Using rustoleum for the primer layer would save a lot of money vs epifanes or interlux primer.

Thanks!




Been previously discussed in depth. Short answer is YES you can paint Brightside on top of Tremclad/Rustoleum...

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