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Re: RE: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
[Re: 1971ford]
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04/18/09 01:53 PM
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Do you guys strongly suggest a roll-on primer before the paint?
If its bare metal you are rolling the paint on, what do you sand it to for best adhension? what about if your applying the new paint on old paint, then what do you sand to?
Thanks
Think I used 360? on all surfaces and just spot primed where I sanded to bare metal, rustoleum rattle can primer in some places.
I'm lazy so all my large surfaces I could get to I machined sanded.
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Re: RE: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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04/18/09 04:04 PM
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Hey guys, I live in Iceland and I have a 96 Ford Ranger. I have few questions a bout that paint job and would be glad if you guys could answer it for me. 1. Here in Iceland there are not the same covers on the Rust-oleum bottles.  is it the same as you are using? 2. I also wana know what type of pads you guys are using on your buffer, and what type of polish to remove the scratches and what you use to make the surface shine after wetsandig after the last coat?
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Re: RE: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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04/18/09 04:06 PM
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One thing to remember that is an "oil based" primer so when we use that type you are limited to using Rustoleum type paints over it.
Not a big deal.
Sorry not true, I use Rustoleum/Tremclad primer all the time, sprayed on reduced with enamel redcuer up to 50%.
This takes a bout 10 days to 2 weeks to fully cure, and often is fine in 7 days.
To date, I have used all fillers over it, 2 k urethane primers, epoxy primers, acrylic enamel paint, etc.
Tremclad primer is a dream to sand, blocks very nicely. The thing when you reduce it with automoitve enamel redcuer, it dries faster and harder, this is stuff(medium speed automotive enamel reducer) is mostly xylene and toluene.
I am not trying to be a no it all, but this is my experience.
If rusto primer is laid on thick with a roller or brush, it will need a long time for full cure, once this happens, anything can be laid on it, this primer has super adhesion, and good corrosion protection.
I have taken a rag soaked in lacquer thinner and wiped panels that have been primed with Tremclad, with zero effect on the primer.
The secret is to have a fully cured primer, then you are in business.
I also use Tremclad quite often gloss black mixed with medium speed reducer, and gloss hardener, when sprayed the result is a super shiny, super smooth, tough hard finish, muc like acrylic enamel...............
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Re: RE: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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04/18/09 05:42 PM
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My friend a painter told me you can't paint lacquer or enamel over the oil based rustoleum primer because the paint not the primer will curdle.
But if you've tried this then I stand corrected. 
One thing for sure, anytime anything is being introduced that is from a diffeent paint system, proceed with caution, try small test areas first.
the ruto/tremclad rpimer is not much different that old time enamel rpimer used by auto manufacturers way back in the 40s.
Once the tremclad/rusto primer is fully cured, even lacquer primer surfacer can go over it.
What I do with 2 k urethane high build primer is this, I spray a mist coat first, then spray on heavier coats, this I have done as recently as last night, right over a car with tremclad primer on it.
So be aware, and test areas when not sure, if tremclad or rusto primer is soft and not cured, then a lacquer based or 2 k urethane primer will wrinkle it for sure.
When I tell people I add reducer and hardener to tremclad paint, people figure it won't mix, but infact it does quite nicely........
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Re: RE: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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04/20/09 08:41 PM
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how long do you wait in between coats? is it a few minutes or a couple hours, or just until the previous coat is dry?
And if i do a coat in one day, can i do the next coat whenever (say even 2 weeks if i was super busy?)
And lastly its about 90ish over here, im guessing i can still paint in this weather but dry time will be very fast
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Re: RE: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
[Re: 1971ford]
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04/20/09 10:27 PM
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how long do you wait in between coats? is it a few minutes or a couple hours, or just until the previous coat is dry?
And if i do a coat in one day, can i do the next coat whenever (say even 2 weeks if i was super busy?)
And lastly its about 90ish over here, im guessing i can still paint in this weather but dry time will be very fast
I did I rolled a new coat every day except the days I sanded, waether for the most part was nice here. My coats were very light, you'll know test a section that doesn't show well but with temps in the 90's I'd say no worries.
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Re: RE: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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04/21/09 12:11 AM
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thanks. Can i get a picture of walnut white? or any other whites? Can tremclad/brightside be used over rustoleum oil-based primer? And i have been decided on orange over white for my truck for a year now, and the orange that 69charger has is peerrfect. BUT, rustoleum and brightside dont have anything close... safety orange is way to bright it looks like. If i could get tremclad real orange shipped to me somehow that would be amazing but im not sure that would ever happen. i wish i had canadian family up there 
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Re: RE: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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04/21/09 09:51 AM
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didn't someone put together a manual on this method of painting with a roller? would low odor mineral spirit work ok?
I think Marq has a link to one I did have it but not on this computer, I have a PM into him hoping for the link.
It is some place among the 6000+ post on this subject, either he listed it & I did also at a little date, I'll see if I can locate it later.
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Re: RE: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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04/22/09 06:21 PM
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If your temp is anything like ours say 24 hours and you should be good to go.
If you have a spare fender then do a test, if no do just one fender 1st.
Should have added depends on how thick or thin you mix your paint. Mine dried over night but these were thin coats.
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Re: RE: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
[Re: 1971ford]
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04/22/09 09:17 PM
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Will tremclad work fine over rustoleum's oil based primer? if not then what do i use on my bare metal before the tremclad??
I went down to Autozone and bought Duplicolor lacquer primer and thinner, I think the paint went on better over the area's I primed then the area's I just sanded..
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Re: RE: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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04/23/09 07:43 AM
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well, I guess the only thing I can do is try it on a test fender. I really would perfer being able to use hatteras white.
so by letting the primer cure, dose that mean days, weeks, months?
You won't need a long cure time, to topcoat it with Rustoleum, it's when you want to go over it with say, a 2 k Urethane primer,it matters.
The solvents are not aggressive in the Rusto paint or primer, so not a huge deal.....
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