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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: Rob440Magnum]
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07/29/09 03:44 PM
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I would assume this Zerox Product is already premixed 50/50 in the bottle - Look at the container when you buy it
Water dissipates heat much much faster then any coolant/antifreeze will ever do - Alot of guys run straight water in the summer with some type of additive for corrosion protection (Hence Redline Water Wetter) - If your cooling system is working properly you dont have to worry about it boiling over with straight water - Remember straight water will dissipate heat much much faster
Antifreeze helps lower the boiling point - Protects against freezing - Corrosion protection
Blah Blah Blah
Check the bottle to make sure its 50/50 mix or straight , and if its straight , mix with distilled water and call her a day
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: bee1971]
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07/29/09 05:52 PM
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I would assume this Zerox Product is already premixed 50/50 in the bottle - Look at the container when you buy it
Water dissipates heat much much faster then any coolant/antifreeze will ever do
Antifreeze helps lower the boiling point - Protects against freezing - Corrosion protection
Blah Blah Blah
Check the bottle to make sure its 50/50 mix or straight , and if its straight , mix with distilled water and call her a day
The Zerex G-05 is straight, not 50/50,......I tried straight water, straight water and no thermostat, I still experience hot running/near boil over conditions,.....The Zerex and WW was just one among may attempts at getting my car to run consitantly in a "manageable" zone 180-200, it worked for me after many failed attempts at trying to solve the problems this particuar car of mine was having, usually cooling problems are easy to isolate, but being a wingcar with reduced grille area,(24"X6") it's opening is almost 36" away from the radiator, presents some issuses
FYI, just a note, Antifreeze RAISES the boiling point of water, at a maxium mixture of 70% antifreeze and 30% distilled water, the boilng point of water (220) can be raised to 270 degrees,.... running pure antifreeze, will gaurantee you of problems, and the boilng point is reduced to about 200 degrees, not a wise choice,.....I'd recommend a 50/50 mix to start with regarding the Zerex G-05,......there's many types/grades of Zerex, make sure to use the G-05 formulation, usually the "gold" bottle, but double check!
Mike
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: Rob440Magnum]
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07/29/09 06:07 PM
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Should we fill the entire cooling system with Zerex and one bottle of water wetter or should the Zerex be diluted with some water added?
I start off putting 1 gallon of Zerex in, then the 8 oz, of waterwetter, the add water to the rest, usually 1 gallon, start the engine, let every thing run thru/mix, wait for the thermostat to open for operational tempatures,....I do recommend you drill an 1/8" diameter hole in the actual thermostats base flange,(nNOT the housing!  ) as this bleeds the system of all or most air, and helps fill the system when dry, plus allows a small amount of fluid movement when the thermostat is closed, don't go no larger than 3/16", even a hole that size can flow pretty good!.....1/8" is ideal
Mike
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: Rob440Magnum]
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07/29/09 06:12 PM
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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07/29/09 08:34 PM
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I start off putting 1 gallon of Zerex in, then the 8 oz, of waterwetter, the add water to the rest, usually 1 gallon, start the engine, let every thing run thru/mix, wait for the thermostat to open for operational tempatures,....I do recommend you drill an 1/8" diameter hole in the actual thermostats base flange,(nNOT the housing! ) as this bleeds the system of all or most air, and helps fill the system when dry, plus allows a small amount of fluid movement when the thermostat is closed, don't go no larger than 3/16", even a hole that size can flow pretty good!.....1/8" is ideal
Mike
Is tap water ok?
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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07/30/09 03:05 PM
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Update: Just changed over to Zerex G-05. Didn't do a bit of good. Still runs hot. I knew it was too good to be true but I am frustrated and had hope that the Zerex would help.
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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07/30/09 09:06 PM
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Mike:
It runs warm on the highway but tolerable. When I stop it really starts to rise. It gets to about 230 and I have to either get out on the road running 40 M.P.H. or just shut it off. About 30 seconds after shutting it off, I turn the ignition to accessory and check the gauge and it is always pegged to the right.
James Stinebaker
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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07/30/09 09:51 PM
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I took it to the local radiator shop and the technician pointed his infared meter at all points on the engine and radiator. The gauge proved accurate. The car never came with a shroud but I purchased a used one, installed it, and removed the thermostat. Just took longer to heat up. However, there is about a 3/8 inch gap all the way around the shroud. I'm going to put black duct tape all the way around it and see if that helps. That's going to look real nice on an all original under hood appearance. The fan is 2" deep and exactly 1/2 of the blades are inside the shroud.
Jim
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: JSSuperbee]
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07/30/09 10:17 PM
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I took it to the local radiator shop and the technician pointed his infared meter at all points on the engine and radiator. The gauge proved accurate. The car never came with a shroud but I purchased a used one, installed it, and removed the thermostat. Just took longer to heat up. However, there is about a 3/8 inch gap all the way around the shroud. I'm going to put black duct tape all the way around it and see if that helps. That's going to look real nice on an all original under hood appearance. The fan is 2" deep and exactly 1/2 of the blades are inside the shroud.
Jim
Jim,....have you tried adapting (temporaryly) in the sending unit on the pump a thermocouple probe(radiator shop should have one) to record ACTUAL water temp, as hand held IR units are nice, they leave a little to be desired, your fan spacing sounds OK, a shrouud dose wonders also, what kind of fan/blade are you running?,
Do you experience boil over at idle/slow traffic conditions, I know we try to avoid that, but will the car spew if allowed to?
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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07/30/09 10:53 PM
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What Jets is the 6-Pack car running? Bet he is way to lean on the center carb.....
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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07/30/09 11:19 PM
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Mike:
No I haven't tried a thermocouple. However, the radiator tech pointed his infared directly at the sending unit and it read the same as the gauge. I had all the gauges checked for operation and accuracy by that guy in Arkansas that does instrument clusters and gauges. The fan blade is the stock unit. A fixed/solid 7 blade that came on the non cool pack cars. The radiator does not boil over, but probably because I panic and shut the engine down. The radiator tech remade my radiator into a brand new 3 row. Now it just takes longer to heat up. I put a spring from an old hose in the brand new Gates lower radiator hose. So far I've thrown about $800 at the problem. I don't know if it will spew if allowed to and am reluctant to allow it with only 170 miles on the car.
James Stinebaker
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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07/30/09 11:33 PM
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OK here are the specs. The car is all original with 75,000 miles on it. I had the entire engine rebuilt with a .030 over bore and a one notch higher cam from MOPAR Performance(can't get the exact same original cam anymore). The car came with the solid/fixed 7 blade fan, 22" radiator, and no shroud. I had the timing checked and it is running 34 degrees total. Then, I had the radiator changed to a 3 row and installed a fan shroud, removed the thermostat, and put a spring in the lower hose. With all this, the engine just took longer to overheat. Earlier today, I put black duct tape all around the shroud as there is a 3/8 gap all around. That seemed to help. Now at idle it runs warm...about 210 but nowhere near what it was running. Then Mike said try Zerex G-05. Crossed my fingers and drained the Prestone and put in the Zerex. No good. Still idles as about 210 degrees with an outside temperature at a below normal 82 degrees.
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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07/30/09 11:37 PM
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Both the pulley and water pump are original pieces. I had the water pump professionaly rebuilt and looking inside the radiator while the engine is running looks as though the pump is doing its job.
James Stinebaker
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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07/30/09 11:57 PM
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Yep the timing mark is right on. However, the car runs sluggish. The tune up tech says it is only pulling 13" of vacuum but he doesn't thing that is the over heating problem. My 6 cylinder Buick Lucerne can run circles around the bee. Never attempted to check the compression. I could try some race fuel as that is one thing I haven't tried. What ratio with gas should I try? Burped the system on each attempt. Now running with no thermostat. Yeah...we checked the pulleys and the belt today. It's a tiny bit loose but nothing to cause overheating. The pump was rebuilt during the engine overhaul process and the coolant moves quite well through the top of the radiator. The radiator tech recommends I continue to run without a thermostat and try to get about 600 miles on the rebuilt engine. I just don't think that the engine being freshly overhauled would cause it to over heat. Heck these engines didn't overheat when they were brand new.
James Stinebaker
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me too hard, if you still have problems 
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