Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
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07/21/09 07:54 AM
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You might however want to consider a 160 degree thermosat, just to keep the engine as cool as possible as quickly as possible.
If we put the 160 t-stat in, the motor will not heat up anymore than about 160 degrees correct?
I've heard you lose power if the motor runs too cool and that it may not be good for the motor long-term if it does not run hot enough. This is a street car not a drag car.
Any follow-up comments on my reply?
Thanks, Rob
if you put a 160 in, the thermostat will open and try and maintain a 160 degree temp. but, if your cooling system is weak or your car is way too hot so the cooling sys cant keep up, it wont stay at 160.
imo, 160 is way too cool. 180 is the min for me. you said it ran cooler without a thermo. the 180 may have been bad. I'd try another one
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
[Re: bogusracer]
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07/21/09 08:50 AM
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I would highly suggest a 180 and read the 160 vs 180 stat thread on this page which will put you in a better (informed) position to make your choice.
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
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Last night we drilled 1/8" hole in the new 180 stat and installed. When we started adding coolant we noticed crap floating around in the new radiator (less than 1,000 miles on new radiator). So we took off the lower radiator hose and drained the coolant and tried to flush the radiator with a hose. Refilled and took for a ride. The motor ran cooler than it did before we changed the stat but not as cool as when we ran with no stat.
We are going to do the following on Saturday:
1. remove stat again and put some miles on it to try to move any crap that may be in the block or cooling system and hope it ends up in the radiator. Then Sunday, remove radiator and take to a radiator shop and have it professionally flushed. 2. drive the car at a steady speed on the highway for 10-15 mins and compare the exhaust manifold temps to my 440 4 bbl to see if the six pack is running lean. What temp would you consider too hot for the exhaust manifolds that would lead you to beleive a lean center carb? 3. when we turn the car off, make sure the fan does not keep spinning more than 1 or 1 1/4 turns. If so, I am told the clutch is bad on the clutch fan. (any comments on this to confirm how to test)
What are your thoughts while the radiator is off to hook up a wet/dry shop vac to the bottom radiator hose coming out from the motor. Will this accomplish anything?
Any other thoughts or suggestions we should try while we are at it?
Thanks, Rob
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
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Today we removed the stat. Looked in the radiator and there was an orange thing floating around. We were able to extract it and it was an orange rubberized or silicon glob about 1/4" by 1/4".
Hate to say it - But there could bee a 100 more of those plugged up inside your radiator core Permatex copper silicone
First things first - Pull the radiator and bring it to your radiator shop or at least call them and see what they want to do
Original factory radiator ? Has it ever been re-cored ? Professionally cleaned or boiled ?
Silicone in the radiator is not a good sign
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
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Hate to say it - But there could bee a 100 more of those plugged up inside your radiator core. Permatex copper silicone
How & where did that come from?
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factory radiator ? Has it ever been re-cored ? Professionally cleaned or boiled ?
The radiator is a new YEARONE radiator installed when the car was restored and motor rebuilt. Less than 1,000 miles ago.
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
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I would have the rad flushed(along w the rest of the system) to get that crap out of there.
I know you pull the radiator and take it to a radiator shop, but how do you flush the rest of the system?
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
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Can you sub in a fixed blade fan for a test and WHERE in the shroud is your fan located?
It's 1/2 in and 1/2 out of the shroud. I'll have to check to see if he has a fixed blade, I know I don't.
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
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Did you use a HIGH FLOW robertshaw type thermostat??? Milodon also sells this type of thermostat but my local NAPA did not sell them. Also use more water and less antifrese and the water wetter as mentioned by Dayclona, Try a Milodon or Edelbrock pump (440source sells them too) if you really want to run cool and check your cap for holding pressure.
Bought a 180 stat from NAPA so I guess that is not a high-flow stat. Where do I buy a high-flow stat?
We put Prestone 50-50 mix in, no water added.
How do you check the cap for holding pressure?
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
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I didnt realize the radiator was new - Sometimes you go with the flow , no pun intended , then going back to the original posts if you already mentioned
Anyways
How much silicone did you use on the water pump housing gaskets - How much silicone on the actual water pump itself and thermostat housing gasket
It would definetly take alot to break loose to plug up a brand new radiator so with that said next
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
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07/26/09 12:29 AM
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Well this is a whole lot of work....but....Yours is not overheating...his is. Swap parts from yours to his. There is no better test than the last line on a diag flow chart...swap with a known good component. Sorry Curt
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
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07/26/09 12:36 AM
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The fan does need to be farther in
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
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As you may recall, I too am having an overheating problem with my 383. No one has said anything about the post entered by DAYCLONA on June 24 about removing the Prestone antifreeze and substituting with ZEREX G-05. Seems as though he's done everything to eliminate the problem and then the G-05 solved it. Could it be that easy? Anyone got any thoughts on this?
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Re: 440 six pack - running hot - why
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As you may recall, I too am having an overheating problem with my 383. No one has said anything about the post entered by DAYCLONA on June 24 about removing the Prestone antifreeze and substituting with ZEREX G-05. Seems as though he's done everything to eliminate the problem and then the G-05 solved it. Could it be that easy? Anyone got any thoughts on this?
James, my daytona had hot running situations, only a few times, it really lost it and puked,....I'd run a constant 200-220 moving around town, if I got stuck in bumper to bumper crawling traffic for more than 10-15 minutes, the temp would rise to 240-250 real quick!.... hyway, it would drop to 200 degrees,.....and I played with all the combo's, EVERYTHING was new, as this was a fresh total restoration/build,....carburation was addressed (6pak), timing, cooling system, everything,......the Zerex G-05 was a guess at best,.....but with no other changes, other than flushing the system, the car went from running in the 200-220 in traffic, to 180-200, running a 50/50 mix G-05/water,....after reading some mag reports on what waterwetters worked and what didn't, I went with the Redline product, 8 oz bottle to the 50/50 G-05,.....that was good for a 20 degree drop, now I have the opposite problem, waiting for the engine to warm up!,.....I took the Mellon out for a ride yesterday, it was quite humid, temp was around mid 80's, in the past it would hit 200+ easily cruising even at that temp,.....I was lucky if I saw no more than 180,....and I'm running a 180 thermostat, and I have a 5 row micro tube radiator, shroud, solid blade factory fan, plus wingcar seals through out the nose, and radiator channeling air to just the radiator
I'd highly recommend the G-05 Zerex brand and Redline waterwetter, it's not to be confused with Dexcool, which is junk, the Zerex is intended as a replacement for "green juice" users
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