Re: INDY 360-1 245 CNC
[Re: dizuster]
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02/18/07 11:19 AM
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I agree...i would just get some w8's for the same price..if it was a 48*...
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Re: INDY 360-1 245 CNC
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02/18/07 12:43 PM
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230 CC CNC -2 INTAKE PORT, keep in mind, if you've never seen these heads in person, for getting a feel for how big the 245 head is, a normal W2 head fully ported is in the 195 CC range. So the 230 CC Oval ICH is a BIG Oval, and the 245 rectangle dwarfs it. The actual minimum CSA of the 230 CC CNC -2 is 2.52" Someone wanted to know taht a few months ago, and I just got around to measuring it today. Thanks for the info. I guess I was pretty close Matt
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Re: INDY 360-1 245 CNC
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02/18/07 12:53 PM
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Even though my heads were used,but i think the rockers were new.either way ryanj hooked me up with a set of W8 heads,rockers and valve covers for $2500.
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Re: INDY 360-1 245 CNC
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02/18/07 01:37 PM
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To answer some questions..... As for 59* limiting RPM... I'd say somewhere around 8200-8400 would be about as high as I'd want to turn a 59* motor on a consistent basis. How much RPM would a 394 need? I dunno, What bore/stroke? I assume a 3.79 crank? It would depend on the whole combo not just the CID. These heads certainly are not for evryone.... Actually I won't sell a set of -1 245's unless I believe the combo they are going on is correct for them. I don't want someone putting too big of a head on their motor and be unhappy, when the 230 or even the 210 Oval would have been a better choice. These heads are mostly for pure drag engines, not really a great street head unless it is a BIG CID engine. The 230 will be a much better choice for most 408-416 street/strip motors with limited compression. Quicktree: the 245 is quite a bit bigger than what you have on there now, so a 366 would'nt be a 7000 RPM piece anymore with a set of these on, the cross section would move the TQ and HP band up quite a bit, and not everyone wants a 6200 stall converter.... OriginalB1: yes theya re sitting on shelf at ICH, so that is the #1 advantage of dealing with the INDY stuff. Everyone (including myself) knows they (ICH) have "issues" and I'm not saying they are greatest compny in world, but it is nice to actually have some killer parts that ARE available whenever you want them. No offense to MP, but the ICH stuff in terms of power (both intakes and heads) is light years ahead of what is available from MP for 59 degree heads, plus there is no back order to deal with and their QC is getting better as far as surface finish of the decks, and guide sizing. Plus you don't have to deal with the 3/8 guide pain that most MP heads make you deal with. I don't have my #'s for the 230 CNC here, they are usually in the 320's, it's killer head for alot of engine combos. As far as these heads being $5K to bolt on.... well that's true, but so is a really good set of W5's to be honest. By the time you buy a set of cstings for $1000-$1200, have them ported, guides changed to 11/32, honed, surfaced, VJ, drainbacks done, INDY intake, milled to fit, port matched, and all good retainer/lock/spring/valve/seal/rocker combo...... It's right around $5K. I mean to be honest, most of the guys running 10.20-9.50's with a 59* SB in a 3000+ lb car do not have cheap induction systems. Some guys get lucky and buy a used set of W2's or something for $1500 and go out and run 9.90's etc but you can't compare a used set of iron heads to a brand new set of aluminum CNC heads. It's apples and oranges in terms of almost everything. As for putting 59* heads on a 48* block.... it's not that big of a deal, and unless you are using a J head, intake sealing is not a problem. Liek I mentioned on Vic's set I'm going to angle mill them (for several performance reasons) but also the added benefit will be helping the pushrod angle out since they are going on a 48* block with Jesels. On teh right combo, there is no reason this 245 head converted to 255, can't match or beat the preformance of alot of smaller (more common) W7/8/9 heads. Now granted they will never match a big W7/8/9 in terms of power, but those heads are hard to locate and buy cheaply. The big thing these new heads will do is open up a new generation of what I call "cookie cutter" engines. Anyone on this board can now sit in their home, open a catalog, and basically order all the parts they need to just bolt together a very basic no frills combo, that should push any A body into the 9's without much effort at all. The only "hard" part to aquire right now is a good race block. Other than that, throw a 950-1050 carb on an ICH intake, with either the 230 or 245 CNC head, a decent size roller cam, a callies crank, a set of CompStar or Eagle etc. H beams, an off the shelf Diamond Flat top, and put at least a 1 7/8 header on it.... very basic 416 motor, that will make 630-680 HP on ANY dyno and run in the 9's in an A body. You don't need custom headers, external water/oil lines, dry sumps, belt drives, custom oil pans, sheetmetal intakes, multiple carbs, nitrous, blower etc anymore to make the power to run mid 9's @ 3200 lbs like you used to. Are they cheap to build? No... a Big Block is certainly a much cheaper way to do it, but if you want to do it with a SB, all the parts are now in place in the aftermarket to make the power, and make it safely. It's just something that has not been available in the past. It's just unreal how far the aftermarket has come for SB Mopar parts in the past 5-10 years. Now if we could just get some new race blocks....
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Re: INDY 360-1 245 CNC
[Re: 340RICK]
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02/18/07 02:54 PM
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I've thought about going smll blk in the cuda some day(so i can run in the heads up class at milan)now I know what combo to get!
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Re: INDY 360-1 245 CNC
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Old topic, but very interestign one, so, i have a 420 sb x-block stroker, 4.125"molnar crank, with molnar chevy rods, ross pistons 11:1/63cc. And thinking to go with indy 360-1, but are these 245cnc 2.14"/1.65" heads too big for me. street/strip car and i can get that cr up to 11.5:1.(pump gas) I go with solid roller cam (it will be custom one). How about that 2.14 intake, is it too close to touch cylinder, i have a small bore 4.03". I'm running Raised port versions of the 360-1 cnc 245 heads, they have 2.100"/1.625 valves and while close they clear 4.030 bore.
2000 Dakota R/T, 408 magnum, 727, Indy heads 1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel. motor; 10.258 @ 132.78 200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69 racemagnum
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