Re: smallblock stroker, 600 HP out of question? on pump gas
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I don't think 600 h.p. is that hard my 416 cranked out 520 h.p. with mildly ported Edelbrocks and just a .533 lift hyd. cam and dual plane intake...
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Re: smallblock stroker, 600 HP out of question? on pump gas
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You can make 600 hp but I dont think your heads will do it, a set of W-2's or W-5's and a good bit of duration plus your going to have to spin it... so a good balance is a must. I made 620 on my 395 ci W-2 but turned it to 8200... that was a 10.5 compression but I ran 100 octane. I think your going to need a head that flows about 310 cfm........ JMO
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Re: smallblock stroker, 600 HP out of question? on pump gas
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600 hp , if E85 is pump gas where you live than yes , it wont be that hard for a small stroker , I think 17 years out of a 600hp street stroker may be another issue , To make 600 you will have to turn it some with compression , You will need to find someone who realy knows rings and cyl wall finishing , you will need a good head guy also, good luck this sounds like fun
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Re: smallblock stroker, 600 HP out of question? on pump gas
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600hp out of a small block is pretty easy to make. My 461 small block makes 741hp and 638torque with indy heads, single 750 carb, pump gas and naturally aspirated.Car runs great in plus 30 degree(canada) weather and runs high 9zz at the track, best et 9.75@139.88mph on a 10" tire. Full interior and totally street legal from horn to lights to wipers to full exhaust!!
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Re: smallblock stroker, 600 HP out of question? on pump gas
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I think 600 on pump is certainly possible, but not with Eddy heads and not on a stock block.
I'll beg to differ with that and I go on a chassis dyno for tuning in 2-5 weeks. My heads flow right around 300CFP by 0.500 lift. Mine are indy eddies, but similar numbers are coming out of Ryan Johnson's hands on a frequent basis. With my COMP XR286R cam in there, it should spec right around that 600 mark. I think car craft did a very similar buildup with a slightly larger Crane 260X0.050 CAM and made an honest 610 HP on lower flowing W2's.
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Re: smallblock stroker, 600 HP out of question? on pump gas
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600hp out of a small block is pretty easy to make. My 461 small block makes 741hp and 638torque with indy heads, single 750 carb, pump gas and naturally aspirated.Car runs great in plus 30 degree(canada) weather and runs high 9zz at the track, best et [Email]9.75@139.88mph[/Email] on a 10" tire. Full interior and totally street legal from horn to lights to wipers to full exhaust!!
Wow. Never seen you on the boards until now. I hope to see that car at the track here in and around July!
Greg
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Re: smallblock stroker, 600 HP out of question? on pump gas
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"quote"i know a mustang thats a 347 and its dynoed at 550 HP and he drives it all over the place. so i cant imagine its out of the question with a mopar. is that 347" ford n/a? if a ford can do it,a mopar can do it better
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Re: smallblock stroker, 600 HP out of question? on pump gas
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I think 600 on pump is certainly possible, but not with Eddy heads and not on a stock block.
Hmmm..don't tell the competitive NHRA superstock 360's that! Stock stroke,9.1 comp,worked 308 iron heads,alot of cam and various other tricks..oh,did I mention a good bank account= 10.0's in a 3500lb car(you do the math). Streetable?? Pump gas?? Just proves most anything is possible with enough$$$
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Re: smallblock stroker, 600 HP out of question? on pump gas
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interesting replies to a somewhat simple question. some say yes, it's doable, some say no, some say they've done it. i'll just add this, since we've done builds like that over and over through the years. don't expect to just throw a bunch of parts at it thinking it's an automatic 600 HP. your choice of parts will have a huge effect on the final outcome. 275-280 cfm will get you there if everything else is chosen carefully. the machine work and assembly need to be done right, obviously, but the tuning to do it reliably on pump gas is critical to having any kind of success for a daily driver. it's certainly not aerospace engineering though. you better start with a real good block or the whole thing may not last long. cracked mains and split cylinder walls are common on stock blocks in that HP range.
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Re: smallblock stroker, 600 HP out of question? on pump gas
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Well, it's already been mentioned, but with E85 and Edelbrock heads 600 is not out of the question. The 408 in my truck made 578 hp with a Hughes solid flat tappet at 6200rpm. The compression is about 12.7 to 1 with the Keith Black forged flattops. With a 4000 stall and 3.91 gears I drive it to the track and run 11.50's at 4900 feet elevation. Very driveable, and with the added compression I'm getting right at 15 mpg as well!
Pump Gas Small Blocks Rock!
11.53 @ 116mph E85 408 at 8500 ft da,
3605 pound truck, 3.91s, street driven
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Re: smallblock stroker, 600 HP out of question? on pump gas
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Well, it's already been mentioned, but with E85 and Edelbrock heads 600 is not out of the question. The 408 in my truck made 578 hp with a Hughes solid flat tappet at 6200rpm. The compression is about 12.7 to 1 with the Keith Black forged flattops. With a 4000 stall and 3.91 gears I drive it to the track and run 11.50's at 4900 feet elevation. Very driveable, and with the added compression I'm getting right at 15 mpg as well!
15mpg, running 11.50's at an altitude, in-a-truck - with E85 ? ...
GIVE me that grocery-list on that motor ... I need one of those for my 5th Ave ! ..
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