Re: 500 plus stroker how big?????
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For a stock block I'd recommend a 505 kit. Basically a 4.250 stroke crank
With a stock block and your parts, I like the 4.25" stroke crank combos (CID/bore, 505/4.350", 511/4.375", 512/4.380").
But put something in the stock block to help it live (aluminum rods, aluminum mains, or girdle)
My 400 block with Callies 4.25" crank has internal, 1/2" NPT, oil pickup. It is tight, but can be made to work with some clearancing.
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Re: 500 plus stroker how big?????
[Re: GI Moparman]
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For a stock RB block I like the 4.25 crank so 505-511 is the hot ticket, going larger is  going to be diminishing returns in a high output big head motor that wants to spin. I'd go with the 7.100 rods to keep the side loading down. On a mostly street motor the 6.76 or 6.80 rod works VERY WELL. If you want to go BIG I'd look at a Race block and go 572 (4.5 x 4.5), that's an extra cylinder of displacement which would up the HP (if you have enough head) maybe enough to justify the extra cost. But the 511 will make Plenty of torque and power, more than a street driven suspension can really 100% effectively put to the ground.
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Re: 500 plus stroker how big?????
[Re: GI Moparman]
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my 2 using the same top end and just going to a larger cube short block will basically make the same power but at a lower rpm' going from a 440 to a 511 with the same cam,heads intake and carbs netted me a half sec in ET and 5 mph
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Re: 500 plus stroker how big?????
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I was talking to an engine builder at a local car show here yesterday. Here by the way is Grand Island. He was telling me to go with the 4.15 stroke crank if i want to go stroker. He was also telling me that with the 440 stroke i could still run the -1 heads and make the power i want. What are the thoughts of this. I have wiesco flat tops and manley h beam rods. The cam again is the 680 ultridine roller that muscle motors recomended. Im all confused now on which way to go. I really appriciate all the input and help here guys.
Im pretty close to that..
4.15 with 4.375 bore for 499"...you will be 500 with your 60 over..we are talking an RB block here..
my heads are Bulldogs that have been realy massaged and .075 milled to produce 12.8 compr for a 72cc chamber and the pistons are JE flattops..
my cam is a bit wilder than yours..
I am using a stud girdle with stock caps..next time Ill use the BCR system that utilizes alumunum caps with a real big girdle structure...thats where you will make a stock block live...otherwise buy a good after market block...
I wish i could afford a KB aluminum block
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Re: 500 plus stroker how big?????
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It's good to know the 511 combo is a good one. I bought some Venolia pistons that I thought were for a RB block and the 4.15" crank. I measured the compression height and it is 1.497". I think they were meant for the 400 block and the 4.15" crank and 400 rods. With the 4.25" crank in my 440 block and 7.100" rods, it looks like they will come in near zero deck height. They have .031" Dykes top rings. I was thinking they might make a good NSS engine.
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Re: 500 plus stroker how big?????
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If you plan on running the ultrdyne roller, put lots of spring on it. I picked up a ton of power and quit breaking parts when i went to a comp 947 triple spring with 340 lbs on the seat. .11 in the 1/8th if I recall. Was going 9.30s alky injected, unported 440-1 heads, 499 lowdeck, alky injection,3000lbs.
440JIMs combo is killer, 4.25 stroke with a bbc rod, but a 499 with 4.15 and a mopar rod will work OK too.
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Re: 500 plus stroker how big?????
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For a stock block I'd recommend a 505 kit. Basically a 4.250 stroke crank with 6.80 long Chevy rods and pistons to match. That will make plenty of power with 440-1 heads but it has a chance to live in a stock block. If you had a World block then I'd throw more stroke at it.
The 505 setup with 440-1 heads is good for 800 hp if you put some cam and compression into it.
the 4.25 stroke is the best choice. The convertible has a 511" (.055 over, 4.25" stroke) and it is an awesome street motor that put the convertible into the mid-11's with ease. Imagine if it had B1 heads and a Dominator 
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I have a 4.300 long stroker in my pump gas 400 low deck stroker and it clears the pick up fine, I had to grind about .075 off of the oil pick up boss in the block to clear the #1 rod bolt and no where else 
I would think a high comp. 540 would require some work on those -1 heads and probably over tax the stock block. 512 race gas or 540 pump gas is where I'd go. 
