Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747
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I've used 17748, the 2.5" version on my 2005 5.7 Hemi Magnum.
*It's important to differentiate between the short case one that usually drones, and the long 20" case model that usually doesn't.
The car had no cats and an H pipe, so very similar to an older car in that regard.
I loved them, they were just right for a good, throaty sounding driver that was never annoying. Long distance drives, 3-5 hours, no problem at all.
They do not flow well. The car felt faster with 2 chamber flowmasters, and even those don't flow well.
But they do keep the car pretty quiet and sounding good.
I feel they are a little too quiet for an occasional short distance Hellraiser kind of a car which is why they make the race bullets and the ultra flo. Well, I used to work for Dynomax & I can assure you, a 2.5" version of the Super Turbo flows better than a 2.5" or 3" 2 chamber, 3 chamber, or Delta flow Flowmaster. The 3" Flowmaster versions had flow rates of around 350 scfm, while the 2.5" Dynomax Super Turbos have flow rates of around 410-420 scfm. Comparative OE mufflers have flow rates of usually under 200 scfm. I remember buying a pair of 16" bodied Chrysler "Hemi" mufflers from Mitchell Motors back in the early 80's - to replace the 20" bodied originals on my old '71 Hemi Charger. The mufflers from Mitchell flowed like CRAP - I could immediately tell they were restrictive. Back then I didn't know crap about exhaust. I should have installed a set of Walker Red Line Z mufflers, which evolved into the Super Turbos. The big differences internally between a Dynomax Super Turbo & an OE muffler are two things: the size of the internal perf tubes, & the Super Turbos have flow directors (bank turns) at each end, & OE's do not, and most other performance mufflers won't either. If you buy a 2.5" in/out Super Turbo, it will have 2.5" flow tubes inside. An OE type muffler with 2.5" inlet/outlet, will usually have 2" dia internals. A CHEAP, crappy turbo muffler (like the Thrush California Boss Turbos) have 2 flow tubes internally & NO packing, plus the flow tubes are smaller diameter. Super Turbos have a fiberglass mat that wraps around the center section of the muffler (you can see it in the photo someone posted), but this mat breaks down in about a year or two, & the mufflers will get louder - especially the 14" ones. Some oval mufflers have two flow tubes, some have 3. The Super Turbos are GOOD turbo mufflers. The Dynomax Ultra-Flow mufflers are straight-through, & they do not "tune" the sound like Super Turbos do, so they sound different than each other. From a flow standpoint, the scfm of a 2.5" 14/20" Super Turbo offset/center is around 410, and a straight-through Ultra Flow is around 1100. There is a HUGE difference in flow, but do you really need the extra flow of the Ultra Flow? Only a few dyno runs could tell you. Bob Karakashian & many of the other guys running in the Pure Stock Drags are using the Dynomax Ultra Flows. Those WAAAAAY outflow flowmasters & all other non straight-through oval mufflers. The stainless Ultra Flows with the stock-style spun-locked heads, flow the same as the Dynomax race series welded construction mufflers - also now called Ultra Flows. The welded series are offered in bigger flowpath & bigger in/out than the stainless ones, so there is more variety. On a closing note, I don't know what the internals are like in the Accurate mufflers, & I don't know who is building them for them - I doubt they have the equipment to build them & especially fab the spun-locked heads. If they do, then that's impressive. There are quite a few mufflers currently in the Dynomax & Thrush line that I suggested & partially designed. There were also ones that I tried to get them to bring to market, but was unsuccessful. One was reverse flow Super Turbos in 2.25" & 2.5" versions for AAR's & T/A's - the standard oval size but 20" long. *They currently offer these reverse flow mufflers, but they are only 14" long bodies - not long enough. Those were referred to as "fabricator" mufflers. I have been building my own chambered exhaust mufflers & mufflers for AC Cobras since 2002. There is a drastic difference in performance b/t the Ultra Flow and the Super Turbo. My dad's road runner...fairly mild 440 six pack, worked 906 heads, 509 cam, headers and full 3" exhaust. We switched from Ultraflows to Super Turbos and it felt like the car lost 40 hp. It was bad enough that my 70 year old dad came back after the first test drive and said we had to change it back! He liked the sound (he wanted it quieter), but the loss of performance ruined it. We decided on a set of Hooker Aerochamber mufflers. Not as loud as the Ultraflows, but louder than the ST's, and the performance felt a LOT better. These were all 3" offset in/center out.
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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747
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Bill, I have the mufflers you are asking about on my 68 Hemi Road Runner. The 2.5" in/out Dynomax's. You are welcome to come up to the Phoenix area and we can go for a ride if you want?? Chris Chris the 2.5 in out is the 17748 , Bill was asking about the 17747 with is 2.5 in , 2,.25 out. John, 747 is 2.25 in and out and should be here by the end of the week oh thats even worse  , I thought I read it was 2.5 in ... need to get my glasses updated
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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747
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Bill, I have the mufflers you are asking about on my 68 Hemi Road Runner. The 2.5" in/out Dynomax's. You are welcome to come up to the Phoenix area and we can go for a ride if you want?? Chris Chris the 2.5 in out is the 17748 , Bill was asking about the 17747 with is 2.5 in , 2,.25 out. John, 747 is 2.25 in and out and should be here by the end of the week oh thats even worse  , I thought I read it was 2.5 in ... need to get my glasses updated its what the pipes on my car are. Im after a sound, Not all out performance Maybe someday down the line I would like to up the full exhaust to a 2.5inch system front to rear . But thats a project for another time
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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747
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Iam thinking of using 17747 2.25 super turbo mufflers, Do you know if they are necked down inside ( 2") ? or so ? Would the 20" case muffler have lless drone ? While I've got yo what about Quiet Flow SS, just how bad do the kill power ??? These will have 2.25" flow tubes internally, and yes the 20" bodied muffler will be quieter than the shorter 14" version. A 20" Super should have NO drone until the fiberglass blanket starts breaking-down, & it will after a while. Super turbo has three flow tubes internally, & a flow director at each end. Walker Quiet flow will have only two internal flow tubes & they will probably be 2" ID, plus there will be no flow directors. If you want QUIET & don't care if you lose more flow, then go with the Walkers.
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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747
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I am not a fan of "turbo" mufflers, I do like the oval muffles with side inlets and center outlets with straight through perforated pipes in them. Years ago I did a test on my 1969 Dart GTS that had a pretty near stock 440 motor in it with Hooker 1 7/8 Hooker fenderwell headers that fed into a set of 2.5 inch head pipes (non H pipe) about 25 inches long feeding into a set of Thrush 2.5 inlet and outlet Turbo mufflers and then into 2.5 inch tail pipes that exited in front of the rear tires. I took it to LACR on a Friday night in the late fall and made 3 runs corked up shifting it at the same RPM and drop the tire pressure one lb. on each run from 12 lbs. down to 10.0 lbs. on the new 28x10.5x15 inch M/T drag slicks, the first run was 12.31 at 109.+ MPH and the last run at 10.0 lbs. was 12.23 at 109.?? MPH. That was from 6.00Pm on the first pass and the last one was at9:30 PM, the density altitude changed right at 300 FT, it was cold and damp with Barometric pressure around 28.7. The next morning at 10:30 A.M. I made another run with very similar, it may have been + or - 300 Ft .from the night before difference, I had removed the head pipes, mufflers and tail pipes with no other changes, the first run in the right lane was 11.39 at 117.5+ MPH  I didn't believe it due to not feeling a big difference during that run from the night before so I got right back in line to make another run in the lane. That run was made 45 minutes later with 40 Ft. D.A. higher; the left lane was normally right at .003 to .005 E.T. slower with no changes, that run was 11.42 at 117.+?? MPH so that convince me that those Turbo muffs weren't worth having or using. I built my Duster to race the black guys in Watts and Compton on the streets for money but ended up getting cancer before I finished that car and moved up here to central Oregon, I did have the exhaust sytem put on down there using the same Hooker fenderwell headers with 3.0 inch head pipes running under the door sills and under the rear end do to that car having coil over and ladder bar rear suspension which didn't allow running the pipes over the rear end, so it ended up having a set of Magna Flow14 inch long x7 in wide oval muffs like shown in this post, I did a similar test at our local 1/8 mile track, Madras, OR and removing the complete system made .003 ET and .12 MPH gain, not worth taking them off.  It was probably the weight loss making that small gain, not the back pressure  I wanted to put a 3.5 inch system on that car but the muffler shop forgot to order the pipes and muffs to do that for me before I had to bring that car up here: whiney:  Looking back now that was probably a good thing 
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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747
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Cab, the Thrush "California Boss Turbos" are not a performance muffler at all - far from it. They utilize no packing material, & two internal flow tubes, and the 2.5" Boss Turbos probably have 2" diameter flow tubes. To me they sound flat - like no tone at all. They are a cheap muffler shop muffler. The Dynomax Super Turbos ARE the evolution of the old Walker Red Line Z mufflers, and they are true performance mufflers. The 2.5" Super Turbos flow more sCFM's than Flowmaster 3" 2 chamber, 3 chamber, & Deltas. The thing I like about the Dynomax Super Turbos & the Ultra-Flow Stainless mufflers is that they look like stock mufflers - they have spun-locked heads vs. the welded boxy look of other mufflers. I'm installing Ultra Flow #17289's on my '71 Charger R/T. They are straight-through mufflers that look stock except they are polished stainless. Yep - I make chambered exhaust mufflers, but this car is getting the Ultra Flows, not mine. I want the right look & the maximum flow. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...-p4nInitwz7YdREMWOttVSn4qKMaAnSYEALw_wcBSame muffler - RockAuto: https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=129739&cc=0&pt=5872&jsn=327
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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747
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Iam thinking of using 17747 2.25 super turbo mufflers, Do you know if they are necked down inside ( 2") ? or so ? Would the 20" case muffler have lless drone ? While I've got yo what about Quiet Flow SS, just how bad do the kill power ??? I ran 2.5 super turbos on my last 69 rr with 383 and they droned bad at say 2500. Only that one harmonic. I can’t remember the case size, very likely they were the smaller one. My 69 GTX had rotted chamber mufflers that also droned the car even before they blew out. Worse yet, someone put 2.25 pipes on the car, necking down the hp manifold right off the bat. I always wanted a quiet car, no drone, no yelling to talk, no drowning a stock single speaker. New car quiet. So I went all out, spent the money on a full 2.5 system and settled on the long case super turbos. There is a flow chart out there and they do really well. Key to what I did was to add resonators out back. I went with the Vibrant brand can style. I found the bigger muffler looking ones would be a tight fit by the tank. I finished with Accurate tips with the full 2.5 bore. Another thing I wanted to eliminate as a possibility for an issue was the hangers. I used the accurate repop ones made for 2.5. My guy that has done 6 cars had to extend the drivers side hanger a bit to make the system sit level. I also used remflex gaskets at the manifolds. I have zero drone. None. Nothing buzzes inside the car now either. It’s perfect. As noted, the car was quieter when it was done last summer. This last weekend I thought it was a bit louder than before. I didn’t think it’d be that soon. Last summer I would’ve told you I could’ve stood something louder, just a bit so I wouldn’t have wanted to risk anything else, now I’d say it’s more along those lines. The power came up when this system went on. Of course the pipe size was too small before, but bottom line is a quiet system won’t choke off power if done right. First drive I could feel how much it helped above 4500. Car takes off much harder than before when I do my security patrol at the industrial park. I don’t take this car to the track so I don’t have hard numbers for you. I went with an x pipe because I’ve always liked the sound, this time I don’t hear it though. My exhaust guy is a gearhead. He ran his drag car with a x pipe, h pipe, and no crossover. He said they all ran the exact same time, he left the x pipe on because it was the last one he tried. A key thing to know is a resonator does not affect power, it allows sound waves to cancel out.
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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747
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I found the chart in my files. Some guy on fbbo made it. He still posts there. Can’t think of the name right off.
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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747
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I think that guy goes by valiant jim on fbbo
He is the guy that made that chart and he seems pretty in the know on exhaust stuff. Might ask him.
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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747
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I should update this I went with the 17747 s I cant say Im 100% happy with the sound. But its definitely better,,,,, for me Idle sound is only slightly a bit louder / raspier But driving down the road definably has a bit more rumble https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVOAvE9jpchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs9CmlpFVsM
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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747
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I think I've run every muffler known to man...?  I've got Dynomax 20" Super turbos on one of my Cordobas, 2 1/2". It's got a 360/380hp MoPar Performance crate engine, Hooker Super Comp headers and 2 1/2" mandrel bent exhaust out the rear. I thought the car would be fairly quiet, and at idle it's decent but in no way would I call the car quiet!!! They are fairly loud imo, No drone to speak of but I can definitely hear the exhaust cruising and hard gas pedal it's got a growl to it. Decent street performance muffler.
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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747
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Performance loss is all relative to power output. My Challenger has TTI 2 1/2" exhaust w/Dynomax mufflers. Sounds great, not objectionable at all. Mild 9.0-1 360. Been on the car 22 years. Car has run 12.50's@110 thru the exhaust. Never uncapped it. My supercharged 340 Volare back when it had a .475" cam was running 3" Flowmasters. One night I uncapped it. 11.66@117 thru the exh, 11.61@117 w/o. The parts I removed weighed 70lbs. So zero gain. In it's current state with a .540" cam it runs 11.0@122 thru the mufflers running Ultra Flows. Pretty loud at wot. Never run it open. Doug
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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747
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This weekend I heard a sound in the exhaust and I pinpointed it to one muffler. Sounds like after only not even 400 miles it’s breaking down, like mufflers I’ve had in the last that were years old and coming loose inside. Kind of a popping noise. New sound, if it gets worse it’ll have to be trashed.
This set was made in china, I know some people don’t mind china junk, but I do and this is why. I only bought these because they met the specs I needed.
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