As title says. I'm wanting to swap one into my latest truck project.
80s D 250. I want a stick, I want OD and I want to be able to pull a decent size camper (decent enough size to need the capacity of the 3/4 ton over a 1/2 ton) any other stick tranny that can bolt to a 360 magnum that will do these things?
How about a getrag? I've never heard of a getrag behind the gas engine.

I'm wanting to know about interchangeability, difference between Chevy and Dodge version, are there different shifter locations relative to the case, and compared to say an NP 435, things like that.
I have a Bell housing and flywheel coming from a 99 gas 360 that had this trans.
My son has a lead on a trans but it came out of a (ugh) Chevy.
I know there are certain years of the Chevy version that would bolt on a Dodge bell housing, and some that won't. What years or series of truck or anything else to dictate this
I've heard of a problem with 5th gear retainer nut walking off the shaft, but that it's "just a dodge trans version" issue that the Chevy version doesn't have this problem? What's the difference between the transmission that makes this so?
I've also heard that the gas version doesn't have this issue as much as the diesel ones?
I do have a dodge input shaft here for one of those transmissions and supposedly another coming with that bell housing.
That bell housing and flywheel is mine, just gotta go pick it up found on marketplace 2 States away it happens to have been listed in the same town a buddy of mile lives in.... Had him go get it for me ..

anyone?

Forget about the Getrag
Options are the nv4500 that was factory (hydraulic clutch only I think)
or the tremec nv4050. Brand new drop in for nv4500.

5th gear nut seems to be just a diesel thing because of the harmonics/torque
For chevy stuff, I was under the impression it was not worth it change things

You kind of answered your own questions in your post

Yeah maybe kind of...... There's still some questions among my earlier post.
Another thing, why "forget about the getrag?"
I know they had issues too but I wonder like the 5th gear nut with the 4500 being more of a diesel problem than a gas engine problem, I wonder if getrag problems aren't similar there?

I've also heard that Chevy versions don't have the 5th gear problem only the Dodge ones and mostly diesel ones at that.
What's different about the Chevy ones?
How is the Speedo drive on the Chevy's with this trans and if the one my son is looking at for me came from a Chevy how could I adapt it to a dodge speedo head? Is there a conversion attachment to the dodge speedo cable or a conversion speedo cable?
My son has been back to where the guy has the local 4500 he is trying to get for me, he has looked at and measured the front face of that trans and he said it matches the one he put in his ramcharger. So it'll bolt on to a dodge BH... We don't know yet if it's a true Dodge version or a 96+ Chevy one yet.
What's the difference in spline count at the driveshaft yoke between Dodge and Chevy?

Ok next is a "large" driveshaft tunnel hump for one of these trucks (I HAD) I one around here but can't find it. So I'm off to find another...

I had an 84 crew cab dodge and a 360 auto trans. I dropped in a 91.5 intercooled Cummins, used an adapter bell housing and bought a brand new NV 4500 from Dodge. I think it was a 95 model. It fit the truck just fine drove it many miles with no problem. They fixed the fifth gear back off with a better lock nut on the 5th gear retainer. It’s been awhile since I did this swap.

Was your 84 2wd or 4wd
If 2wd would have had small driveshaft tunnel.
Did you have to cut that out and put the big tunnel in? My cab is off right now for stripping and painting. So id like to swap now if I'm gonna have to do so.
Dis you run hydraulic clutch? I think I have everything I need here for that anyway.
Also I've been to another member here saying that if a tilt column I would have to switch it out for non tilt.
I have a straight column and was eventually hoping to find or cobble together a tilt column. Why (according to this other member's PM) won't a tilt column work for a truck with this trans?
My truck originally had a 727 in it, I have an extra, original cross member to experiment with building what I will need to support the back end of the 4500. Any "gotcha's" there in doing that?

I have a 4500 bought and paid for, from someone my son knows.
I haven't seen it yet, but he has.
I just returned from Ohio 2 days ago with the Bell housing and flywheel I need to get this done, found there on marketplace and happened to be in the same town as someone out there that I know so I had him go get it and hold it for me til I could get out there after it.
Now to get my (bare rolling) frame blasted, painted, suspension rebuilt , and new stainless line kits installed so I can put the motor and trans on and build up a new back cross member. It'll be probably well into the summer at that point. Working on getting the sandblasting lined up right now

I did the repair nut on a chiivy a few years back

The repair nuts I see listed say "doesn't work on Chevy version".
I've also seen it said " 5th gear nut issue doesn't happen on Chevy versions of the trans
If that's true then why would that be?

The GM version has a bolted on rear yoke that stabilizes the output shaft from vibration...kinda like a 727 output on an RV transmission. It also has a balancer on the output.

The Dodge version has a splined output shaft only.

This is what I can tell you, there is no bell housing or clutch to mate the Getrag to a gas engine, parts availability is also limited so forget about that. The Chevy 4500 has a different input shaft and output shaft so really forget about that as well. The Dodge diesel version also has a different input and output from what you will need, so you sh!tcan that as well. As for the Dodge gas versions, you need a 97 and prior to get the speedo drive. 92 and maybe even early 93 Dodge gas versions ( I would have to look it up again) have a steeper first gear ratio, so again, parts availability is limited. What you really need for the conversion to go smoothly is a 94-97 gas NV4500 from a Dodge.

You will have to convert to a hydraulic clutch, I don't recall what year the trucks started with that, but if you don't have the large (approximately 2.5") rubber body plug inboard of the firewall electrical bulk head connector, you will have to move the bulkhead connector to the left to accommodate the clutch master cylinder. You will also need the hydraulic clutch pedal and master cylinder mounting bracket. You will probably need to drill the pedal/steering column brace for the bracket.

As for the tunnel, I don't know, although my truck is a 4x4 it uses a 2WD trans because it has a divorced transfer case, so it already had the large tunnel.

Now for the crossmember, your stock one won't work. If you can't find a crossmember and mount bracket from a 92-93 D truck that had a NV4500 in it the Holley Hemi conversion crossmember and mount is practically a bolt in. You will need to fabricate some upper frame supports for it though.

Oh and generally speaking it is only the diesel versions that have the 5th gear nut problem. Guys hear about them backing off and assume they all do it.

I have (2) Dodge gas engine input shafts here in case I need to swap that out.
One courtesy of Marketplace and the other came with the Bell housing and flywheel that I picked up over the weekend.
I have a brand new hydraulic master and slave setup here.
Have to check on my cab to see where the bulkhead pass thru is.
Cab is newer than the frame it's going onto.
I was thinking of putting an 833 OD in another truck I have and wanted these the Hydraulic clutch in there but going with something different in that 2nd truck, have pedals and hydraulic setup left over from that.
This 2nd truck that I was gonna put the 833OD into I know I'd have had to move the bulkhead on that truck.
I also have the bracket that the master portion mounts to within the cab. I should be set there.
My son has been thru the 727 to NV 4500 swap in his ramcharger but that's 4wd and mine isn't so that'll be a little different.
I can see a trip to the driveshaft shop regardless, so whatever the tail shaft is it is on the trans in getting.
The kid is "buddies" with the diesel shop he's getting the trans from, and from having done his ramcharger he says the trans case to Bell housing bolt spacing is "what we need" (same as the trans he sourced for his swap) he did want to check that out before telling them we'd take it.
I guess the diesel shop got it for one of their customers who then bailed on their truck... Of which I don't know what it was
I'm hoping I can use my spare cross member as a start to build the cross member I'm gonna need, I'm a decent fabricator.
As for 1st gear ratio that's not an issue because I don't expect to use it more than about 0.005% of the time, doing the swap more to get the OD 5th gear than any "granny low". The only thing I see using granny low for is possibly "spotting" my camper at less than walking speed anyway.
Thanks for the info/ "heads up's" that's what I was hoping to gain by starting this thread and asking, I kinda knew some of what's been said but not having done the swap myself yet just hoping for some confirmation on what I thought I knew, reminders of what I've forgotten and lastly, any into I hadn't thought of/didn't know to even think about in the first place.

My 84 was a 2wd and I needed no mods to the tunnel to make it work. I did have to move the big plug over in order to accommodate the clutch stuff. I used the original hyd clutch, wiring and dash instruments from the 91.5 donor truck. I had to fab my own rear cross member. I had a hard time finding a used core support for the diesel. It required the big radiator and intercooler.

Ok I finally have my NV4500 in hand
Unfortunately all the numbers I've seen on labels on transmissions posted online, well the stickers are there but the numbers are gone.
It's a Dodge Cummins version newer than 97 because though it has a place for it the speedometer adapter hole is cast in, blocked off. So I'm either gonna have to pull the rear housing (super easy) and send it off to be machined out or else swap it out for an earlier version. Hopefully the output shaft has the worm gear cut in to drive the Speedo gear... Came with a brand new LuK clutch pressure plate. Plus a new looking Cummins flywheel and a Cummins Bell. I think my kid wants to keep those.... We'll see.
My son made the deal for me, as it was at a business they which he's "buddies" with the owners... To this point he's done all the negotiation, and hauled it home for me. Prior to now he hasn't seemed to be able to answer my questions about it but now that it's home h seems to have known the "story" on it all along.... but he's had it "spoken for" for me all along.

OK... I have the trans here now. Before I was looking at it in the bed of my kids truck, at his house.
\I was worried I wouldnt be able to ID this thing because of the washed out stickers. Well there iS a tag I didnt previously see, behind 2 of the bolts that hold one of the PTO covers on.
It IS a Dodge version. With a PN in hand can anyone "decode" it like tell me if its an "LD" or a HD" version at least?

Here goes; Number on tag is 52108130 Upside down from that it says 01 12 99 4500 Is this a build date? Meaning its a 99 model year trans?
and my cab is a 90 model. still has the VIN sticker in the door jamb. Cummins, dually, auto trans truck with small trans hump.
I have a lead on a big trans tunnel. Switching them especially while the cab is sitting on pallets wont be hard. Am I gonna "have" to being 2wd
(no transfer case to eat up more space that needs to be allowed for)

I dunno if anyone is paying attention to what I put here but at worst I have a "record" for myself for later as my project continues.
This one has the stiffener rib on the bottom of the tail shaft so I THINK it's the HD version. If the guy on Pirate 4x4 can be believed.
It is a Mopar one not a Chevy one. Dates to '99.
I had to replace the PTO cover gaskets as it has peed all over the back of my kids truck and then my garage floor. The gears looked good.
I got a brand new LuK clutch with it, (flywheel too) for a Cummins. I wish I could use it behind my gas 360.
My son might have a use for that though. He has a Cummins 6 speed truck.
I got another LuK clutch coming, for my 360 they had a "closeout" special, under $100. Couldn't pass it up for that price. I just hope it isn't "made in China" like the last Luk that I bought was, for my slant 6 powered truck.
Now for the next battle. Body work.

Hopefully someone sees this
Am I restricted to only using RTV as a gasket for the tail shaft and top cover or does somebody make a regular gasket for these transmissions?