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Building another 6.4 for towing, headers??? #3296576
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So I am building another 6.4 for towing in my 2015 ram and am looking for headers... are there any that are affordable yet for these things? If not why in the world is it taking so long?

Before anyone asks it is originally a 5.7 ram 2500 4X4 long bed 4 door 3.73 gears. A friend needed the engine so I pulled it and sold it to him. The engine I'm building will basically be a complete 6.4SRT8 long block butt with a 5.7 cam, 6.4BGE intake, 10.9 compression, my secret valve job and a tiny bit of port cleanup in the heads and intake and a couple secret custom parts I am trying to get a machine shop to build in mass. I just can justify $2000 headers.


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Re: Building another 6.4 for towing, headers??? [Re: HotRodDave] #3296651
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Of all the ass-backward, goofy ideas on here, this tops the List. If a 5.7 cam and headers worked better on a 6.4 don't you think Dodge would have done that by now?!?!? rolleyes

I can see why that shop of yours is failing: You clearly have no idea what you're doing, time to put the wrenches down.

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Re: Building another 6.4 for towing, headers??? [Re: Grizzly] #3296752
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Originally Posted by Grizzly
Of all the ass-backward, goofy ideas on here, this tops the List. If a 5.7 cam and headers worked better on a 6.4 don't you think Dodge would have done that by now?!?!? rolleyes

I can see why that shop of yours is failing: You clearly have no idea what you're doing, time to put the wrenches down.

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Who says my shop is failing? I make enough to provide for me and my 9 kids and wife, my house and 20 acres are paid for and have been for years... what else should I expect from it?


The factory has different concerns than I do when they build an engine. I am not concerned with adding more HP than my 5.7 made, HP was never an issue, I just want more TQ at very low RPM to help get the load moving from a dead stop so I am adding compression, cubes and better flowing heads and intake. Dodge don't want to spend money on headers, also headers make it much harder to meet emission regulations and don't last as long as manifolds. I did a very similar build in my old 2011 and loved that truck. Sure I could gain more HP with a 6.4 cam but I don't care about more HP. Do you seriously think nobody could ever possibly improve on anything the factory has ever done?


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Re: Building another 6.4 for towing, headers??? [Re: HotRodDave] #3296770
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I knew from the start exactly why you used a 5.7 cam, more low end torque which you want in a truck. laugh2


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Originally Posted by SNK-EYZ
I knew from the start exactly why you used a 5.7 cam, more low end torque which you want in a truck. laugh2


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Hear that, Chrysler/Daimler/Fiat/Stellantis Engineers? The 6.4 you spec'd in the 2500's: you're doing it WRONG. laugh2

Might as well suggest a 318 Camshaft in a 340 with Zoomies, if you Two really want to hear how stupid you both sound?

Embarrassing, run along, Twit, pity you don't know Fan from Flywheel let alone more than Chrysler Engineers.


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After working with Chryslers engineers personally I can tell you that you’re giving them far more credit than they deserve.

Do you always have to be a pr*ck when anyone doesn’t see things your way???

What he’s doing will give it more low end torque but sacrifice some top end.
It’s been proven for years.

Yeah. You’re still the Moparts Proctologist.

I’m thinking you have a bladder problem too since you piss on everything you can.


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Re: Building another 6.4 for towing, headers??? [Re: HotRodDave] #3297012
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Why not just go with manifolds for a build like that?
....and please forgive me if that's a dumb question.

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Originally Posted by Fat_Mike
Why not just go with manifolds for a build like that?
....and please forgive me if that's a dumb question.



The factory manifolds flow like crap on the trucks. Also long tube headers provide resonance tuning that evacuates the cylinders better so you can fill them with more air and fuel instead of leftover exhaust so I can make more TQ.


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Originally Posted by HotRodDave
Originally Posted by Fat_Mike
Why not just go with manifolds for a build like that?
....and please forgive me if that's a dumb question.



The factory manifolds flow like crap on the trucks. Also long tube headers provide resonance tuning that evacuates the cylinders better so you can fill them with more air and fuel instead of leftover exhaust so I can make more TQ.


I was sure you had a reason. Being that you aren't building the motor for max power, I just figured manifolds might be "good enough." Just figured I'd ask, even at the risk of it being a dumb question. up

Re: Building another 6.4 for towing, headers??? [Re: Fat_Mike] #3297394
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Mike, you and I have a great history on here, so, I'm only replying here for You

Don't listen to these Hacks. The only thing missing from this Tow Truck Fail is a Tunnel Ram.

Hot Rod Editors did a full article on the Gen 3 Hemi when it debuted in the 2500's: the article went into EVERYTHING and they documented the Hemi exhaust manifolds are extremely well designed and flow within 2-3% of headers. The article was written around 2002-2003. On top of the fact headers are for top-end power and won't stand up to heat cycling in a truck.

If you need a real example, the SRT-10 Ram came with iron manifolds and the Viper has headers, what does that tell you? Which one came with a trailer hitch and a box for hauling?


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Originally Posted by SNK-EYZ
After working with Chryslers engineers personally I can tell you that you’re giving them far more credit than they deserve.

Do you always have to be a pr*ck when anyone doesn’t see things your way???

What he’s doing will give it more low end torque but sacrifice some top end.
It’s been proven for years.

Yeah. You’re still the Moparts Proctologist.

I’m thinking you have a bladder problem too since you piss on everything you can.




Mind your own business, Parrot. You contribute nothing of value on here.

This is between Me and HRD and the Smart-Ass knows why.....


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Apparently it’s still winter on Moparts.

Re: Building another 6.4 for towing, headers??? [Re: Grizzly] #3297481
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Originally Posted by Grizzly
Originally Posted by SNK-EYZ
After working with Chryslers engineers personally I can tell you that you’re giving them far more credit than they deserve.

Do you always have to be a pr*ck when anyone doesn’t see things your way???

What he’s doing will give it more low end torque but sacrifice some top end.
It’s been proven for years.

Yeah. You’re still the Moparts Proctologist.

I’m thinking you have a bladder problem too since you piss on everything you can.




Mind your own business, Parrot. You contribute nothing of value on here.

This is between Me and HRD and the Smart-Ass knows why.....


And yet everything that I said was the truth. laugh2

As someone who actually retired from Chrysler as an in plant repairman I think I have dealt with the production issues in the plant showing the "brilliant engineers" their screw ups.
Back in 2007 I also was on the Ram Launch Team working at the Plymouth Road Complex where we worked with the engineers to solve assembly production issues so they wouldn't happen in the assembly plant on the next generation of the Rams, the 2009's.

We hand built the trucks there. But what would I know about building the Ram trucks anyway. laugh2

Yup, you're still a pr*ck that thinks he knows everything.
Everyone knows that isn't ever going to change till you take your last breath.


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Re: Building another 6.4 for towing, headers??? [Re: HotRodDave] #3297529
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Originally Posted by HotRodDave
So I am building another 6.4 for towing in my 2015 ram and am looking for headers... are there any that are affordable yet for these things? If not why in the world is it taking so long?

Before anyone asks it is originally a 5.7 ram 2500 4X4 long bed 4 door 3.73 gears. A friend needed the engine so I pulled it and sold it to him. The engine I'm building will basically be a complete 6.4SRT8 long block butt with a 5.7 cam, 6.4BGE intake, 10.9 compression, my secret valve job and a tiny bit of port cleanup in the heads and intake and a couple secret custom parts I am trying to get a machine shop to build in mass. I just can justify $2000 headers.


No affordable headers yet. If anyone has worked on a hemi and a 3/4 ton 4x4 they are a nightmare (shock towers/spring mounts are in the way of everything). I thought headers on an ebody were bad...

For my 18 PW I bought AFE headers for the 6.4 because I still have all the emissions on it and I needed the EGR port. I know shorty's aren't the best but I picked up a ton of mid range. I'd say about 1.5 mpg+ improvement and a fair amount of power. The factory manifolds are absolute trash on the back cylinders.

I would never buy an AFE exhaust product again. I've used their filters in a lot of products and they work great. I have had cracks on both sides and the driver's side just warped about 1/4 inch from side to side.

If you don't have the egr I know you could get different shorties in there. If you use the factory exhaust gaskets cut the heat shield off. You'll thank me later if you ever have to pull them in the truck.

There was a Chinese company making long tubes but they have vanished. Looks ARE are the only long tubes and for 2k plus I couldn't do it either.


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Re: Building another 6.4 for towing, headers??? [Re: Jambbii] #3297578
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Originally Posted by Jambbii
Originally Posted by HotRodDave
So I am building another 6.4 for towing in my 2015 ram and am looking for headers... are there any that are affordable yet for these things? If not why in the world is it taking so long?

Before anyone asks it is originally a 5.7 ram 2500 4X4 long bed 4 door 3.73 gears. A friend needed the engine so I pulled it and sold it to him. The engine I'm building will basically be a complete 6.4SRT8 long block butt with a 5.7 cam, 6.4BGE intake, 10.9 compression, my secret valve job and a tiny bit of port cleanup in the heads and intake and a couple secret custom parts I am trying to get a machine shop to build in mass. I just can justify $2000 headers.


No affordable headers yet. If anyone has worked on a hemi and a 3/4 ton 4x4 they are a nightmare (shock towers/spring mounts are in the way of everything). I thought headers on an ebody were bad...

For my 18 PW I bought AFE headers for the 6.4 because I still have all the emissions on it and I needed the EGR port. I know shorty's aren't the best but I picked up a ton of mid range. I'd say about 1.5 mpg+ improvement and a fair amount of power. The factory manifolds are absolute trash on the back cylinders.

I would never buy an AFE exhaust product again. I've used their filters in a lot of products and they work great. I have had cracks on both sides and the driver's side just warped about 1/4 inch from side to side.

If you don't have the egr I know you could get different shorties in there. If you use the factory exhaust gaskets cut the heat shield off. You'll thank me later if you ever have to pull them in the truck.

There was a Chinese company making long tubes but they have vanished. Looks ARE are the only long tubes and for 2k plus I couldn't do it either.






I put a set on a customers truck when doing his cam and it woke it up in all the powerband, I just can't afford $2000+ myself for a set. They weren't hard with the heads off. I've actually done a ton of broken bolts and gaskets and yes it is a pain but I do them so often now it is just all part of the routine and I never felt compelled to cut off the heat shield.


Since my truck was originally a 5.7 it has zero EGR garbage, no plug ins, no coolant to block, no extra sensors... I much prefer starting with a 5.7 truck for this reason. Also the ECU is out of the way.



I have run shorties on several other engines over the years and never felt enough difference to justify the cost and hassle of them. I'm either going long tube or keeping it stock till I can afford something else. I am hoping to have it up and running today so probably gonna stay stock exhaust for now. The only hold up will be how long it takes me to make a video of the special parts I made to show a hemi parts supplier to see if he's interested in making them for me.


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Originally Posted by Grizzly
Originally Posted by SNK-EYZ
After working with Chryslers engineers personally I can tell you that you’re giving them far more credit than they deserve.

Do you always have to be a pr*ck when anyone doesn’t see things your way???

What he’s doing will give it more low end torque but sacrifice some top end.
It’s been proven for years.

Yeah. You’re still the Moparts Proctologist.

I’m thinking you have a bladder problem too since you piss on everything you can.




Mind your own business, Parrot. You contribute nothing of value on here.

This is between Me and HRD and the Smart-Ass knows why.....



I honestly have no earthly idea what your problem is with me


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Originally Posted by HotRodDave
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Originally Posted by HotRodDave
So I am building another 6.4 for towing in my 2015 ram and am looking for headers... are there any that are affordable yet for these things? If not why in the world is it taking so long?

Before anyone asks it is originally a 5.7 ram 2500 4X4 long bed 4 door 3.73 gears. A friend needed the engine so I pulled it and sold it to him. The engine I'm building will basically be a complete 6.4SRT8 long block butt with a 5.7 cam, 6.4BGE intake, 10.9 compression, my secret valve job and a tiny bit of port cleanup in the heads and intake and a couple secret custom parts I am trying to get a machine shop to build in mass. I just can justify $2000 headers.


No affordable headers yet. If anyone has worked on a hemi and a 3/4 ton 4x4 they are a nightmare (shock towers/spring mounts are in the way of everything). I thought headers on an ebody were bad...

For my 18 PW I bought AFE headers for the 6.4 because I still have all the emissions on it and I needed the EGR port. I know shorty's aren't the best but I picked up a ton of mid range. I'd say about 1.5 mpg+ improvement and a fair amount of power. The factory manifolds are absolute trash on the back cylinders.

I would never buy an AFE exhaust product again. I've used their filters in a lot of products and they work great. I have had cracks on both sides and the driver's side just warped about 1/4 inch from side to side.

If you don't have the egr I know you could get different shorties in there. If you use the factory exhaust gaskets cut the heat shield off. You'll thank me later if you ever have to pull them in the truck.

There was a Chinese company making long tubes but they have vanished. Looks ARE are the only long tubes and for 2k plus I couldn't do it either.






I put a set on a customers truck when doing his cam and it woke it up in all the powerband, I just can't afford $2000+ myself for a set. They weren't hard with the heads off. I've actually done a ton of broken bolts and gaskets and yes it is a pain but I do them so often now it is just all part of the routine and I never felt compelled to cut off the heat shield.


Since my truck was originally a 5.7 it has zero EGR garbage, no plug ins, no coolant to block, no extra sensors... I much prefer starting with a 5.7 truck for this reason. Also the ECU is out of the way.



I have run shorties on several other engines over the years and never felt enough difference to justify the cost and hassle of them. I'm either going long tube or keeping it stock till I can afford something else. I am hoping to have it up and running today so probably gonna stay stock exhaust for now. The only hold up will be how long it takes me to make a video of the special parts I made to show a hemi parts supplier to see if he's interested in making them for me.




Did you ever think about using the jeep/durango srt8 manifolds? I know they are different than the passenger car but they look like they could fit.


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I'm sure I could find them online but you may know off the top.of your head, what are the cam specs for a 5.7 hemi truck motor vs the 6.4 BGE truck (both auto)?


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Originally Posted by A39Coronet
I'm sure I could find them online but you may know off the top.of your head, what are the cam specs for a 5.7 hemi truck motor vs the 6.4 BGE truck (both auto)?



I don't know them off the top of my head but I think it was about 5 degrees less duration @.050 and about .050 less lift on the 5.7 cam. I actually used a 2023 5.7 challenger MDS takeout cam because it was what I had laying around part number 273AA.


I just fired it up and drove it for the first time, it is very smooth and torqey instantly off idle, about half throttle was frying the right rear tire. I'll drive it around a little while to get it broke and and then put it to work.


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Well I finnaly towed something, 03 cadilac escalade in my trailer, 2 318s with transmissions and transfer cases in the bed, an 8.75 diff and a bunch of 340 parts I been trying to buy since 1996 and even with all that weight I got 13.5 on the round trip including a couple big mountain passes. It only got 1 MPG better a few weeks ago when I towed a 2013 durango on the same trailer and an empty bed on the same round trip while it had the 5.7 still in it.

I successfully eliminated 80% of the shifts it used to do and it really wanted to speed, I was constantly looking down and was 5 or 10 over when I was driving 5 under most of the time... it is very effortless to pick up speed even when loaded. It's better than the stock 6,4 trucks I've had in both MPG and power and keeping the RPM down.


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