Re: Magnum engine head drilling fixture
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I still have the one I made two years ago, no one wants to step up to the deposit that’s required. One of the members on forabodiesonly was a nice guy and started a pass around list. It didn’t go very far before another member stole it from him. Tread carefully. Get the replacement price for it plus any shipping up front before shipping it out. That way you can make a refund when it’s back where it belongs. Lots of dirtbags out there.
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Re: Magnum engine head drilling fixture
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To put LA intake on Magnum heads. The deposit is $400, when and if the jig is shipped back and not messed up you get your money back less my shipping cost. Pitt Racer told me to do it that way.
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Re: Magnum engine head drilling fixture
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To put LA intake on Magnum heads. The deposit is $400, when and if the jig is shipped back and not messed up you get your money back less my shipping cost. Pitt Racer told me to do it that way. It a shame people can’t be trusted and most can be but you have to protect yourself from the dirtbag thieves. They live amongst us.
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Re: Magnum engine head drilling fixture
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06/04/24 04:13 AM
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I asked my local machine shop owner who has been round since the 1990 if he could drill Magnum heads for the LA intake manifold mounting and I could tell he was not familiar with such concept.
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Re: Magnum engine head drilling fixture
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Years ago I had a similar idea to what you're saying. I took a set to a machine shop with a set of LA gaskets and had them drill out a set of magnum heads as you said. Problem is I later found out that LA heads aren't quite a straight up 90* to the intake manifold face on the head. They're actually 7* (or was it 9*?) off of straight perpendicular, upwards So like 81*-83* from straight vertical. I ended up using them on an engine as they were originally intended, a magnum with the original straight up manifold bolts. Other choice is to hold out and hope I find a deal on a carb intake for a set of magnum heads as magnum heads were originally configured "right now" that's further out of the question than the $400 deposit mentioned above.
I wish I could match op the other magnum head I have. I have 1 bare NOS head I scored almost as cheap as the one I went after yesterday. It was at a too good to pass on price at the Midlothian IL swap meet earlier this year. Brand new NOS and for $25 there was no way I wasn't bringing it home. Same guy told me of the 4" stroker crank he already sold earlier in the swap. I saw it at the back of another swappers space with a tag on it as unbelievably cheap but I asked this 2nd swapped and he said I wasn't supposed to see it, he had just bought it himself that morning. The angles is the reason I made my jig off of an LA head, took over a day to make it (@$50 an hour for 8 hours) plus $ for materials. Most of the 8 hours were taken up by figuring out design and what bits-cutters were needed plus procedure of operation. But like Pittsburgracer said some will steal your stuff.
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Re: Magnum engine head drilling fixture
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06/05/24 06:11 PM
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Years ago I had a similar idea to what you're saying. I took a set to a machine shop with a set of LA gaskets and had them drill out a set of magnum heads as you said. Problem is I later found out that LA heads aren't quite a straight up 90* to the intake manifold face on the head. They're actually 7* (or was it 9*?) off of straight perpendicular, upwards So like 81*-83* from straight vertical. I ended up using them on an engine as they were originally intended, a magnum with the original straight up manifold bolts. Other choice is to hold out and hope I find a deal on a carb intake for a set of magnum heads as magnum heads were originally configured "right now" that's further out of the question than the $400 deposit mentioned above.
I wish I could match op the other magnum head I have. I have 1 bare NOS head I scored almost as cheap as the one I went after yesterday. It was at a too good to pass on price at the Midlothian IL swap meet earlier this year. Brand new NOS and for $25 there was no way I wasn't bringing it home. Same guy told me of the 4" stroker crank he already sold earlier in the swap. I saw it at the back of another swappers space with a tag on it as unbelievably cheap but I asked this 2nd swapped and he said I wasn't supposed to see it, he had just bought it himself that morning. The angles is the reason I made my jig off of an LA head, took over a day to make it (@$50 an hour for 8 hours) plus $ for materials. Most of the 8 hours were taken up by figuring out design and what bits-cutters were needed plus procedure of operation. But like Pittsburgracer said some will steal your stuff. The early 273 bolts are almost straight in, the 67 and later LA engines all used on angled up a little. I made a jig to do one hole at a time and it was quick and easy to make and use just clamp it to the head with some welding clamps and use with a spacer to clamp under it for the outer bolts, line it up with a flashlight looking at the old magnum bolt holes, just move from one hole to the next. Using the intake for a guide is hard because you cant get a drill straight in to the ones near the carb pad, some intakes are easier than others.
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Re: Magnum engine head drilling fixture
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I still have the one I made two years ago, no one wants to step up to the deposit that’s required. Cudaman- is your jig reasonably fool proof? I have no issue paying the deposit, but I hate having to rely on myself to measure and carefully locate a jig for holes needing to be drilled. I often have to elongate holes I drilled in brackets and such to make them match up. I don't have the option elongate anything in the case of drilling cyl heads. Does your jig position the tap correctly to cut the threads? Could you post a pic of your rental jig? Or if you prefer, I could send you my private Gmail address and you could send pics there.
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Re: Magnum engine head drilling fixture
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I still have the one I made two years ago, no one wants to step up to the deposit that’s required. Cudaman- is your jig reasonably fool proof? I have no issue paying the deposit, but I hate having to rely on myself to measure and carefully locate a jig for holes needing to be drilled. I often have to elongate holes I drilled in brackets and such to make them match up. I don't have the option elongate anything in the case of drilling cyl heads. Does your jig position the tap correctly to cut the threads? Could you post a pic of your rental jig? Or if you prefer, I could send you my private Gmail address and you could send pics there. Funny, I was looking at it Saturday. I’ll get some new pictures of the jig. I erased the previous pics because of no interest. I made it so it self aligns by the person setting it up. I’ll explain on each pic. Give me a few days.
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Re: Magnum engine head drilling fixture
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cudaman1969 Appreciate the pics and explanation.
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Re: Magnum engine head drilling fixture
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So in 2023 I bought some iron EQ Magnum cyl heads from Vegas parts and cores. They have a decent reputation. These heads come drilled for the LA intake manifolds. This is the only reason I bought them as I plan to run a tunnel ram and two 500cfm Edelbrock's. These heads are a shadow of what they were when made in Australia but I planned on porting them so that would remedy their poor casting of the port shapes. They are full assembled - the pair was $1000 shipped. I immediately took them to Holland Automotive and machine and had them inspected. The valve guide clearance was spot on. The valve seat and sealing surfaces were spot on. Installed valve height was spot on. Quality of components was high even though I bought Hughes springs, retainers and locks. Passing the smell test I then had them machine down the valve guides to clear a higher lift cam (HYD Roller- Magnum engine) Then I began a commonsense port and polish. I got more than halfway done when I found a post on FABO. A member there bought the same heads. he discovered the drilled holes in the wrong location. Or at least things don't line up! He was able to get a full refund. credit to him for checking this IMMEDIATLEY upon arrival of the heads. I on the other hand am $#! out of luck. Here is a video by a great Mopar guy that explains the situation. Ill post my pics for those who cannot view a YT clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJdet4ZDBV8&lc=UgwLHQmFf8KIxiahxvN4AaABAg.AE5QOwGgE9zAE7HXV3ufFlI'm not pleased to have to get ANOTHER set of magnum heads- used or new- have them inspected by a shop- have the guides cut down for higher lift-then drill them for an LA intake. THEN......begin the street port and mild polish AGAIN.
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Re: Magnum engine head drilling fixture
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Heres two pics of my heads. When I bolt an intake to them the alignment is a mess.
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Re: Magnum engine head drilling fixture
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Sorry the pics are big and not right side up. Here is the Weiand TR bottom bolted to one head. FYI- Goal is a 330-350 HP mag 360. Nothing radical. I want the looks to be radical but I don't care that it wont run 11s-or 12s or..... I just want reliable and looks good. No drag strip -summer toy recreational driver only.
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