Re: Looking For Mr. Six Pack Cam Information
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I'm curious what people believe the specs are for the original A12 cam or the comparable 4-bbl version that supposedly was the same specs (other than the lobe taper). All I know for sure is one version of what looks like a repro cam is 214/225 @ .050", .449"/.464", 115 LSA. Has anyone measured the MP repro cam and can compare it with those #s? Also, if you contacted the tech people for the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drags and asked them what the original cam specs are for the purpose of Certification, what would they say?
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Re: Looking For Mr. Six Pack Cam Information
[Re: RoadRunnerJD]
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I believe forged pistons and more cam were on the drawing board for the A12 cars but I was under the impression neither made production. JD I would be courious as to the spec's of your cam, please let us know.
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Re: Looking For Mr. Six Pack Cam Information
[Re: BradH]
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sounds like JD needs to get his OE cam over to Brad so he can put it in a block and measure it up.
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Re: Looking For Mr. Six Pack Cam Information
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sounds like JD needs to get his OE cam over to Brad so he can put it in a block and measure it up.
Yep... 'cept I need to have a block w/a crank in it where I can actually measure it. But the measuring part is a "no brainer".
Here's some other stuff to on the original A12 camshaft... seems like the factory couldn't quite decide what to tell people when the cars were introduced. Here are a bunch of quotes from various "at the time" articles linked from the A12 Registry, including the links to the articles themselves, plus some of Ro McGonegal's after-the-fact comments published many years later:
http://sixpacksixbbl.homestead.com/a12roadtestspage3.html "Compression is a moderate 10.0:1... Intake... 268 duration, Exhaust... duration is 284... Lift is .450"-inch on the intake and .465-inch on the exhaust."
http://sixpacksixbbl.homestead.com/a12roadtestpage2.html "Compression ratio... 10.5-to-1 Camshaft... Hydraulic, .450-465-inch lift"
http://sixpacksixbbl.homestead.com/a12roadtestspage6.html "Compression ratio... 10.1:1 cam timing... duration, int.exh.... 268/284"
http://www.homestead.com/sixpacksixbbl/a12roadtestspage7.html Plymouth's original 440 Six BBL Road Runner ad: "Special low-taper 276-292-54 camshaft..."
http://sixpacksixbbl.homestead.com/a12roadtestspage8.html "Cam Duration... Intake 276... Exhaust 292... Overlap 54 Lift at 0-in. Lash... Intake .450 in.... Exhaust .465 in."
http://www.homestead.com/sixpacksixbbl/a12roadtestspage10.html "The camshaft intake side has 276* duration and .450" lift. The exhaust side uses 292* duration at a higher .465" lift. Overlap is 54*."
http://www.homestead.com/sixpacksixbbl/a12roadtestspage11.html Ro McGonegal's comments a couple of decades after the Cecil County test: "The production cam had 268/284-degrees duration, .450/.465-inch lift and 46 degrees of overlap, but the one in our mule kicked a little harder. This cam was reportedly phased with stock lift, 276/292 degrees of intake and exhaust duration, and 54 degrees of overlap. We suspect, too, that the 10.5:1 forged pistons originally proposed for this limited-production 440 were inside the engine of our special test car. Though early print ads specified the higher-than-standard compression ratio, the naked truth was cast-aluminum pistons and a nominal static compression ratio of 10.1:1."
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Re: Looking For Mr. Six Pack Cam Information
[Re: BradH]
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... one version of what looks like a repro cam is 214/225 @ .050", .449"/.464", 115 LSA. Has anyone measured the MP repro cam and can compare it with those #s?
I bring this up, again, because I found an article in an older issue of Mopar Muscle where Bob K. discussed the details of both his Super Bee and his Hemi 'Cuda. In it he mentioned the MP repro cam, but said the duration at .050" #s were 208/220, which is smaller than I expected.
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Re: Looking For Mr. Six Pack Cam Information
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RoadRunnerJD and I will be making arrangements to measure his OEM A12 cam at some point to have a legit point of reference from which to compare other cam options. I can't say how soon we'll get this done, but it will happen. BTW, the cam I had ground for my A12 RR, what I refer to as the "Mr. Snack Pack" grind" is... Adv duration - 272/280 .050" duration - 223/232 Lift (1.5) - .503"/.513" LSA - 115 The intended use is a for 9.5:1 CR, 906 heads w/ stock-size valves and some bowl porting, OEM exhaust manifolds, a high-flow replacement 2.5" exhaust system, 4.10 gears, 4-speed, and a custom-curved distributor from FBO. If I was running an automatic instead of a 4-speed, I'd either drop the duration down a size on both intake & exhaust, or have the same lobes ground on a tighter LSA... maybe 112-113.
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Re: Looking For Mr. Six Pack Cam Information
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Brad I used a Hughes 223-230 504I 515E with good results. It seemed to be a good exhaust manifold cam as it pushed a 3860 lbs Bee 110+ in the quarter with a cast iron intake and AVS carb. With 451 cubic inches you could hear the cam in the exhaust just slightly.
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Re: Looking For Mr. Six Pack Cam Information
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Holy crap; another TFTD (Thread From The Dead)! ....It's even got B body Bob in it! Dave
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Re: Looking For Mr. Six Pack Cam Information
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Does anyone know approximtely how much manifold vacumn you will have with this cam?
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Re: Looking For Mr. Six Pack Cam Information
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Thanks for the info BradH. Interesting seat-to-seat numbers for the duration.
It's virtually identical to the Speed Pro CS661, which specs out as adv. duration 292 intake/ 309 exhaust, duration @ .050 of 214 intake and 225 exhaust, Vavle lift of .449 intake and .464 exhaust, Lobe C/L is 115. Erson also has one that's virtually the same w/ the exception of a 1-degree tighter LSA, IIRC.
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Re: Looking For Mr. Six Pack Cam Information
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Blast from the past...
Are these cams still available?
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