Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: Verga]
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11/22/06 12:23 PM
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c'mon, guys, I'm trying to get somewhere here, just the facts...
I went to pep boys, found an alt for a 95 impala, cs130, with a serpentine pulley, the bolt holes are 12/6 o'clock (180°, opposed) that looks like it will fit.
The stock alternator has a bolt to bolt distance around 6.5", this one is 7.25". The spacer I should need up top is 3", as stated above. I should be able to rotate the bottom braket down a little and still have some adjustment for tightening...
Now, I need to find a connector for it, the connector on the alt is square, 1 larger connector and 3 smaller ones
blown, is this plug similar to what you have? where did you get the connector? thanks again.
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: whiplash]
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11/22/06 12:38 PM
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c'mon, guys, I'm trying to get somewhere here, just the facts...
Me too. I need the info also.
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: 70blackfish]
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11/22/06 12:49 PM
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mine looks like it the same as blown71x but chrome, its 140 amp 1 wire, it cost 275.00 at valley alt. in canoga park ca. they had to build it, 14 volts at idle with my both my fans on and fuel pump and msd.
I realize Im borderline hijacking this post, but Im gonna give them a call. In case anybody else need the number here it is (818) 882-7511.
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: whiplash]
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11/22/06 02:00 PM
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Blown, That's the kind of alternator I was looking for, now I just need to find the application with a 6 rib pulley, I don't mind running the stock 6 rib while I shake things down..
How did you wire it up?
thanks again.
Cadillac went to the serpentine belt in 91 on the RWD fleetwoods with the 5.0. That mite be what your looking for. ac-delco pn 321-1068 100amp
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: JeffC]
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11/22/06 02:16 PM
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: 70blackfish]
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11/22/06 05:07 PM
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if you have a 1 wire you dont need a pigtail
True...BUT..as was posted, He is wanting something that is easily available in most auto parts stores in case something dies, One wire`s are not. With this extremely simple wiring setup an "off the shelf" unit can be used without fear of having to find a one wire....which personally I don`t care for anyway.
Rick
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: Blown71X]
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11/22/06 10:05 PM
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i looked at advanced autos web site, and for 89 caddy i didnt see a 5.0, but it looks like any other GM CS series alt, an according to them is a 120 amp, and the price starts at about 95 bucks online, can the cs series be clocked??
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: Blown71X]
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11/24/06 10:55 AM
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I googled that part number, here's some more stock applications to ask for, and a link to a checy site that also shows the retrofit for older chvy's: Link>>>> http://home.centurytel.net/rshannon/cs130.htm Are there any size differences between the CS130 and the CS144? CS series wiring pin-out: S = Heavy gauge wire to the battery supply (loop to output post on rear of alternator). F = not used. L = Small gauge wire that comes from the idiot light and energizes the alternator. P = not used. AC Delco sells a SI-to-CS adapter pigtail or you'll need to purchase a new end for the CS alternator. I got mine from the local salvage yard for $2.50. If you go the conversion pigtail route, be aware that there are TWO TYPES, a non-resistor model for use WITH the idiot light, and a resistor model for use WITHOUT the idiot light. Non-resistor adapters: use WITH idiot light - AC Delco: 8077 - Haywire: 2110 - Painless Wiring: 30707 Resistor adapters: use WITHOUT idiot light - AC Delco: 8078 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 105 AMP CS130 Get a 105 amp alternator for a 1989 Pontiac Safari Wagon 5.0L. This saves you the trouble of having to swap pulleys as the Safari came with a v-groove pulley, not the serpentine. From Advance Auto Parts the part # is Premium P79223. $78 with a $35 core charge. Other options are: (1988-90) Buick Estate Wagon 5.0L (1988-90) Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham (RWD) 5.0L (1988-90) Chevrolet Caprice 5.0L (1988-90) Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser 5.0L (1988-89) Pontiac Safari Wagon 5.0L Replaces: Delco 1101229, 1101275, 1101292 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 140 AMP CS144 If you want a bad boy 140 amp CS144 Series, they're used on: (1994-96) Buick Roadmaster 5.7L (1993-96) Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham (RWD) 5.7L (1993-96) Chevrolet Caprice 4.3L, 5.7L (1995-96) Chevrolet Impala 5.7L (1992-95) Chevrolet Lumina APV Van 3.8L (1992-95) Oldsmobile Silhouette 3.8L (1992-95) Pontiac Trans Sport 3.8L Replaces: Delco 10479891, 10480201 You'll have to swap pulleys on this model as they came with a six-groove serpentine set-up.
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: whiplash]
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11/24/06 11:16 AM
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more info: pdf file withthe list of delco part number, amp ratings, series, and clocking: http://www.acdelcotechconnect.com/pdf/tas_alt_clock_cs.pdf More pictures and info on the CS series: http://oljeep.com/gw/alt/Alternator_Theory.html#Section_3 this is good stuff, I'm thinking about going with the cs-144, looks like it has the same dimensions, the 140a version has 40 amps at 1600 or so rpm. Pics to follow. Maybe this should be in the tech archives?
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: Von]
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11/24/06 12:46 PM
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Isnt that 40 amps at 1600 alt rpms, not crank rpm's? Basically 40 amps at 500 or so crank rpms assuming a 3 to 1 pulley ratio?
yes, I think so.
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle
[Re: whiplash]
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11/24/06 01:06 PM
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Maybe this should be in the tech archives?
As soon as this has been all played out, let me know & I'll make sure it's moved there!
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