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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle
[Re: Dakota_Don]
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11/27/06 03:33 PM
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OK, some updates, I found the pigtail, napa online or at the store, part number EC#101, or ECHEC101, $9.49.  Only come with 3 wires, but you only need to hookup the big one and one other, not sure which one, but I'll find out later. As soon as I get some time, I'll swap out the old alte and go for it, maybe later this week...
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle
[Re: whiplash]
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11/29/06 10:17 PM
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did some more searching, the local pep boys did not have any cadillac stuff so I tried a 95 chevy impala 95 chevy cavalier Both different, both NO GOOD. So, now I'm in search for the caddy one, called a local parts store, they say they have it, we'll see tomorrow. application for serpentine belt is 1990 cadillac fleetwood broughm, 5.7L TBI, AC delco number 321-381 (or try 10463090) application for v belt is 1990 cadillac fleetwood broughm, 5.0L 4BBL, AC delco number 321-397(or try 334-2351, or 10463106) pic of the serpentine one, the positioning of the mounting holes is what's important here. Blown, is this where your mounting holes are?  pic of the v belt one:  As said, I'm going to see if they have it tomorrow, and put it in. I have the 8 ga wire, but all I could find was 12 ga fusible link, not 10. I hope the 12 ga fusible link will work, gotta go research fusible link max loads....
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle
[Re: whiplash]
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11/29/06 10:43 PM
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gotta go research fusible link max loads....
And I just did, seems like the recommended size drop is 4, so for the 8 ga wire, I 12 ga fusible link is correct. From Mad enterprises:
18ga. Fusible Link protects 14ga. or heavier wired systems
16ga. Fusible Link protects 12ga. or heavier wired systems
14ga. Fusible Link protects 10ga. or heavier wired systems
12ga. Fusible Link protects 8ga. or heavier wired systems
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle
[Re: whiplash]
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11/29/06 11:15 PM
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application for v belt is 1990 cadillac fleetwood broughm, 5.0L 4BBL,
AC delco number 321-397(or try 334-2351, or 10463106)
Are the numbers for a CS130 or CS144?
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle
[Re: Von]
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11/30/06 08:13 AM
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numbers are for a cs-130, for the c144, try same year but a seville or other caddy I'm pretty sure.
I hada cs-144 in my hand, they are pretty big, the mounting points and depth are teh same, but it is significantly bigger. Honestly, when you look at the amp vs rpm graphs, the cs130 is all any of us will need unless you are rock climbing at night with 2000w of lights or are winching or welding. EFI guys like myself and blown need 40-60 amps at idle with electric fans and pumps and ECU, etc. The cs130 is around 80a output at idle, plenty of juice. And it is smaller than the stock mopar unit, cleans up the engine compartment a little.
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: whiplash]
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11/30/06 11:44 AM
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I run a 200 amp alternator, it's a Ford application, I think the case looks more "MoPar-ish" than the GM alternators....?
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY]
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11/30/06 01:36 PM
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Got the alternator, definately looks like the one Blown is using. Unfortunately, it has a 5 rib instead of a 6 rib serpentine belt but that is no big deal as a pulley swap is easy with my impact gun. AC DELCO's website is awesome for parts searching and reference pictures: http://198.208.187.182/internet/InternetMain.jsp Here, based on the AC delco reman number and info fromt he other links regarding clocking and styles are the ones I think we should be looking for: Part******Amp.**Series**RemanNo.*Style? Clock? 321-283***100***CS-130**10497119*A 9 321-303***100***CS-130**10463004*A 9 321-340***85****CS-130**10463046*A 9 321-381***100***CS-130**10463090*A 9 321-397***105***CS-130**10463106*A 9 321-435***85****CS-130**10463144*A 9 321-436***105***CS-130**10463145*A 9 321-1034**105***CS-130**10463414*A 9 321-1036**100***CS-130**10463416*A 9 321-1064**105***CS-130**10463529*A 9 gonna go install it tonite, pictures to come.
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle
[Re: whiplash]
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11/30/06 09:53 PM
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Blown, is this where your mounting holes are?
Sorry i`ve been away for a couple of days, Yes that is the same as I run
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle
[Re: whiplash]
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11/30/06 10:19 PM
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numbers are for a cs-130, for the c144, try same year but a seville or other caddy I'm pretty sure.
I hada cs-144 in my hand, they are pretty big, the mounting points and depth are teh same, but it is significantly bigger. Honestly, when you look at the amp vs rpm graphs, the cs130 is all any of us will need unless you are rock climbing at night with 2000w of lights or are winching or welding. EFI guys like myself and blown need 40-60 amps at idle with electric fans and pumps and ECU, etc. The cs130 is around 80a output at idle, plenty of juice. And it is smaller than the stock mopar unit, cleans up the engine compartment a little.
Thanks for the numbers. Again great info. 
Im gonna need around 60 amps at idle (plus lights) , so I think I'll try one out.
Fans 26 amps
Water Pump 10 amps
Fuel Pump 10 amps
Ignition Box 10 amops
Lights ?? amps
I should be good at 80 amps at idle.
Anyway, pics of the your install would be great.
Are you using a stock bracket?
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: whiplash]
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11/30/06 11:33 PM
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SUCCESS!!! I was having an issue where the alternator was not charging, had the alt tested and it was good, did some more research onthe net and on this nova site: http://www.novaresource.org/alternator.htm I found this paragraph: Quote:
You need to purchase a conversion adapter that is just 2 short wires and 2 connectors. One is a CS connector to plug into the alternator, the other is a female connector to accept the SI plug from your original harness. There are two different types of conversion adapters. One is a non-resistor and the other has some resistance built-in it. The "L" wire that energizes the alternator needs some resistance (35 ohms or more) in it otherwise it will cause the alternator to fail. If you have a warning light in the dash then that bulb serves as the needed resistance and you should use the non-resistor adapter. If you don't have that bulb or have less than 35 ohms resistance in the "L" wire then you will need the adapter with resistance built in. If the "L" wire has more than 350 ohms then there is a problem with that wire and it will need to be fixed.
even though I measured 220 ohms in the wire as suggested by blown71x and other internet sites, the above information cased me to think, lets try another resistance, so I swapped out the 220 ohm resistor for a 100 ohm resisteor and whala! the alternator charges!!
now, I get 14+vdc at idle, and with all the accessories and the 30 amp electric fans on, I get 13 vdc, charging issues solved...
The only problem I have, and it could be an issue, is that with the 383's, the bottom mounting hole does not line up, so I made a 1.5" extension piece of flat metal to extend the bottom bracket so it does not hit the fan. While it looks hokey and backyard, it works. For the RB motors, looking at the geometry, it looks like this is a direct bolt in, butthe fact that the b blocks have less height in them it changes the geometry just enough where the alternator fan hits the bottom bracket.
When I get a chance I will post some pics of the "modification" and tehn get to work on making a new bottom bracket.
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: whiplash]
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11/30/06 11:56 PM
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The only problem I have, and it could be an issue, is that with the 383's, the bottom mounting hole does not line up, so I made a 1.5" extension piece of flat metal to extend the bottom bracket so it does not hit the fan. While it looks hokey and backyard, it works. For the RB motors, looking at the geometry, it looks like this is a direct bolt in, butthe fact that the b blocks have less height in them it changes the geometry just enough where the alternator fan hits the bottom bracket.
This is good to know as I have only delt with this combo on RB`s
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: 70blackfish]
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12/01/06 12:03 AM
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The alternator was $98.-
The pigtail was $9.-
resistor $1.50 (radio shack)
Fusible link $5.- (10'roll)
I had the 8 ga wire, and misc connectors, solder, shrink wrap, etc.
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: whiplash]
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12/01/06 09:18 AM
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pictures: you can see the lower bracket extension piece in the bottom left corner of the pic:  closer:  the back side, you can see ample clearance for the main charge wire (red)going straight to the battery.  over the valve cover you can see the red "sense" wire going to the distribution point on the starter relay and the blue resistor.  Last pic, compared to the pic blown 71 posted on the first page, you can see how using the lower of the two mounting points on the top bracket slightly changes the clocking of the alternator, making it neccesssary to do something different with the bottom bracket. 
Last edited by whiplash; 12/01/06 09:28 AM.
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: Von]
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12/01/06 02:39 PM
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that's the problem, there isn't one in between the two available positions
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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Re: modern alternator swaps for BB, highest amp at idle?
[Re: Von]
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12/01/06 04:51 PM
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yes, a little tricky but yes. stays tight too....
- 67 coronet 4dr, 383/727/GVOD, blown, EFI, daily driver
- 230/238, 114°LSA cam, 1.6 rollers, 9:1 comp, 8 psi boost
- NEW BEST ET - 12.40@110mph...
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