Stellantis hourly labor cost bargaining
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https://www.arcamax.com/business/businessnews/s-2864015sample quote The union earlier this month advanced a proposal seeking a 46% increase in wages over four years, a 32-hour work week paid like 40 hours, expanding pensions and retiree health-care coverage to all, cost-of-living adjustments and more. Estimates have placed the cost for wages and benefits at more than $100 per hour per worker. Today, hourly all-in labor cost for the Detroit Three hovers around $65 per hour, according to industry estimates. Average hourly all-in labor cost at Stellantis is approximately $63 per hour, according to a source familiar with the information. That figure is roughly $55 per hour for workers at foreign automakers manufacturing in the United States, known as "transplants," and around $45 per hour at electric vehicle maker Tesla Inc. ...snip... Stellantis' July 27 offer emphasized high rates of absenteeism, especially that is unplanned. It sought to tie wage increases, profit sharing and supplemental unemployment benefits to workers showing up for work. It seeks greater employee cost sharing for health care and the creation of a new worker classification that would allow for an alternate, more flexible schedule. Stellantis posted a record $15.2 billion in adjusted operating income in North America in 2022 and $8.88 billion in the first half of 2023. For 2022, Stellantis workers received $14,760 in profit sharing, the most of the Detroit Three's UAW-represented employees, though supplemental workers aren't eligible to receive the checks. end quote
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Does not really matter. They will have nothing to sell soon anyone. I don't see people rushing to their local Dodge dealers to grab the first Hornets to show up. I know of very few people that actually want to buy any of the electrical sewing machines being pushed. Ford dealers lots are stuffed with Mach-E's that nobody wants, the Lightning has lost its early excitement (early excitement meaning most were procured with the intent of 'flipping' at a profit) to the reality of owning something that is not practical for most. They can negotiate whatever they want, but if they have nothing to make and sell, will not matter.
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Does not really matter. They will have nothing to sell soon anyone. I don't see people rushing to their local Dodge dealers to grab the first Hornets to show up. I know of very few people that actually want to buy any of the electrical sewing machines being pushed. Ford dealers lots are stuffed with Mach-E's that nobody wants, the Lightning has lost its early excitement (early excitement meaning most were procured with the intent of 'flipping' at a profit) to the reality of owning something that is not practical for most. They can negotiate whatever they want, but if they have nothing to make and sell, will not matter. This^^^ Chrysler and Dodge will be done soon. They offer nothing. I just looked at their websites....7 offerings between 2 badges....what a shame.
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It irked me a couple/three years ago how local and national radio, YouTube content creators and podcast/radio hosts were gloating as they spoke of the "New all electric Ford Chevy Dodge whatever" models that are on the lot at your local dealer. Just like some members on this board- you could tell when they spoke about EVs that their eyes were wide open- never blinking with a religious cult like smile permanently molded in. Saying anything positive about an EV is like praising those aftermarket car repair warranties. Great on paper- but in the end only take your money and leave you with a disappointing product.
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https://www.arcamax.com/business/businessnews/s-2864015sample quote The union earlier this month advanced a proposal seeking a 46% increase in wages over four years, a 32-hour work week paid like 40 hours, expanding pensions and retiree health-care coverage to all, cost-of-living adjustments and more. Estimates have placed the cost for wages and benefits at more than $100 per hour per worker. Today, hourly all-in labor cost for the Detroit Three hovers around $65 per hour, according to industry estimates. Average hourly all-in labor cost at Stellantis is approximately $63 per hour, according to a source familiar with the information. That figure is roughly $55 per hour for workers at foreign automakers manufacturing in the United States, known as "transplants," and around $45 per hour at electric vehicle maker Tesla Inc. ...snip... Stellantis' July 27 offer emphasized high rates of absenteeism, especially that is unplanned. It sought to tie wage increases, profit sharing and supplemental unemployment benefits to workers showing up for work. It seeks greater employee cost sharing for health care and the creation of a new worker classification that would allow for an alternate, more flexible schedule. Stellantis posted a record $15.2 billion in adjusted operating income in North America in 2022 and $8.88 billion in the first half of 2023. For 2022, Stellantis workers received $14,760 in profit sharing, the most of the Detroit Three's UAW-represented employees, though supplemental workers aren't eligible to receive the checks. end quote Oops! I sorry I thought this was in the free speech forum!
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Speech begins with the letter S. Stellantis, a new company name, starts with the letter S. Studebaker, an old company, starts with the letter S. Stretch begins with the letter S. Solution starts with the letter S. To get to a workable solution should two opposing parties be allowed to “stretch the truth” in their vigorous arguments, such as during labor/ownership negotiations? Should the two parties to an automobile business negotiation be totally aware of what was the fate of Studebaker, its employees, owners, suppliers, and customers? Stellantis might reply correctly that “We are an international business already with plans for some subsidiaries to stop doing business.” A famous world leader who chose a new name for himself that starts with the letter S once sent a letter to Studebaker praising one of its products. Historians argue about whether the most consequential “machine” of WW-II was either the German Flak 88mm cannon or the Studebaker US6 truck, or something else. Stupid might be applied to any of the above....
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Does not really matter. They will have nothing to sell soon anyone. I don't see people rushing to their local Dodge dealers to grab the first Hornets to show up. You would be wrong. The dealer I go to has had 3 already, and all were gone before I could get in to look at one. My girlfriend wants one. What's selling them is NOT the car itself, but all the doo-dads, electronics, screens and creature comforts. My salesman tells me they come with a better sound system than the Harmon-Karden in my Ram.
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I really hope this offering does better than the Caliber and Dart models.
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Every auto maker is going to have to meet the CAFE to remain solvent, or close to it. They all are moving heavily to EV's. This is a decision out of Stellantis' hands. It's a mandate.
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I was at Roadkill nights yesterday in Pontiac. They had an area set up where you could test drive a Hornet. My daughter took a picture of the "line". Thousands of people at the event and I think there were 5 people in the "line". I did not walk past later in the day, but maybe they had a mad rush later. My local dealer has had one for weeks just sitting there. I have yet to see anyone even looking at. When I talked to the salesman, he indicated that there has been "limited" people actually looking at the car. I'm sure when there is nothing else to buy, they might sell some. But, I for one, will not be buying one. Interior looks really small on them (looks even smaller than my DD Pontiac Vibe inside)
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I'm thinking that income needs to be tied to being present and productive. I hear a lot about people not showing up for work, or quitting a job soon after they start, and/or not being very productive but staring at their phones. I don't see a lot of that personally, but I'm retired and not in the daily workforce - it's just observation & hearsay, to be honest. Obviously, unions can ask for the sky, but corporations will just outsource manufacturing to Mexico or wherever for cheaper labor, if it helps their bottom line.
As for the Hornet, they're advertising the heck out of it, but it's an Alfa Romeo, and their upmarket cars can be problematic... Seems every Alfa the car magazines have tested in the last few years was a fun car, but had problems that resulted in stays at dealerships.
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https://www.thestreet.com/electric-...-priced-electric-vehicles-to-rival-teslasample quote Stellantis has revealed the company's plan to unveil a second new entry-level Fiat-branded electric vehicle in July 2024 that will be priced less than €25,000 or about $27,390, Automotive News Europe reported. "There is a real need for more affordable EVs," Fiat CEO Olivier Francois said. The EV is expected to compete with French automaker Renault in Europe as well as Chinese EV companies. Francois didn't specifically mention when the vehicle might be sold in the U.S. Stellantis in June said it will deliver the new Citroën e-C3 electric car to the U.S. in early 2024 that will be priced at about $27,000. The e-C3 is expected to have a range of 186 miles on a charge. Such EVs could become among lowest priced EVs on the market. end quote https://www.whatcar.com/news/citroen-e-c3-electric-car/n25870
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All those thinking the outrageous $/hr demands have merit had best reflect on who is going to pay that.
You and I.
Even if you do not buy a new vehicle ever again plenty of businesses will and that added cost to them will be reflect in the price you will pay for their products and services.
All this will do is accelerate the installation of robotic assembly machines. No mistakes, no getting tired, no coming into work hung over, no outrageous compensation demands, no strikes, no sick outs, no stupid human tricks whatsoever.
It's called cutting your nose off to spite your face. If the employees want a 46% increase I want 46% off sticker. It can't be a one way street! I paid $62 for my current 21 Laramie which is INSANE. The young people that rent for $1700/mth, have $1200 car paytments and eat out every night wont mind paying 46% more UNTIL they learn the economy doesnt alway go straight up Thats a tough lesson to learn. I watched friends an coworkers lose homes (and toys) the last time bercause of poor planning and unrealistic expectations.
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I really hope this offering does better than the Caliber and Dart models.
It will start off hot like those 2 did and the Neon and PT cruiser before them, then a year or two down the road everyone will see what a nightmare they are and their value will tank and they will have to quit making them, come up with something new and hype it up. This is a reputative cycle they have been stuck in for decades. You don't see Toyota having to reinvent and rename the Camry every 5 years do you? The only product they had that was selling good 15 years after introduction (actually selling better all the time) they decided to quit producing it the other day to get people to focus on buying the new crap they want to sell... you know the time honored business practice of canceling your best selling and iconic product in order to get people to buy your other stuff they don't really want.
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I really hope this offering does better than the Caliber and Dart models.
It will start off hot like those 2 did and the Neon and PT cruiser before them, then a year or two down the road everyone will see what a nightmare they are and their value will tank and they will have to quit making them, come up with something new and hype it up. This is a reputative cycle they have been stuck in for decades. You don't see Toyota having to reinvent and rename the Camry every 5 years do you? The only product they had that was selling good 15 years after introduction (actually selling better all the time) they decided to quit producing it the other day to get people to focus on buying the new crap they want to sell... you know the time honored business practice of canceling your best selling and iconic product in order to get people to buy your other stuff they don't really want. I was one of those fools that bought a Caliber. First brand new car. Haven't been back since.
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It irked me a couple/three years ago how local and national radio, YouTube content creators and podcast/radio hosts were gloating as they spoke of the "New all electric Ford Chevy Dodge whatever" models that are on the lot at your local dealer. Just like some members on this board- you could tell when they spoke about EVs that their eyes were wide open- never blinking with a religious cult like smile permanently molded in. Saying anything positive about an EV is like praising those aftermarket car repair warranties. Great on paper- but in the end only take your money and leave you with a disappointing product. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ole Jack Nicholson is how people appear when stating the quick charge time and range of the new ZWX battery and the 0-60mph times!
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