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Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: moparx] #3138388
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We've made pretty great progress this week. Motors in, Trans is in, Motor Plate welded.

Not only that but when things go to DVW... they are done in only a way that DVW does stuff. Polished all of the chrome on the car, re-painted the roll cage to perfection, and maybe a little OCD... but he scraped and scrubbed the undercoating off the bottom of the car!

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Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: dizuster] #3138390
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It's the little details that matter!... new trans lines to clear the blanket, and you can't have rusty bolts!)

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Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: dizuster] #3138392
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Lastly progress of the week... New trailer has new flooring, I got the inside painted, and remote control winch all done. Will get wired for generator and then cabinets/tool box installed.... almost done here too.

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Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: dizuster] #3138454
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What's the sensor for in the tail housing?

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Speed sensor, picks up the park pawl teeth for the data logger for wheel speed. It was extremely valuable info when trying to tune spin with the trans brake/turbo combo.

https://www.diyautotune.com/product/crankshaft-position-sensor-hall-effect-threaded-body/

Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: dizuster] #3138496
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Originally Posted by dizuster
Speed sensor, picks up the park pawl teeth for the data logger for wheel speed. It was extremely valuable info when trying to tune spin with the trans brake/turbo combo.

https://www.diyautotune.com/product/crankshaft-position-sensor-hall-effect-threaded-body/


Might not be legal in NSS

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Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: nss guy] #3138503
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Right, It is NOT NSS legal for NMCA.

The data logger was already pulled out of the car, but can be in on test days.

Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: dizuster] #3138508
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Originally Posted by dizuster
Speed sensor, picks up the park pawl teeth for the data logger for wheel speed. It was extremely valuable info when trying to tune spin with the trans brake/turbo combo.

https://www.diyautotune.com/product/crankshaft-position-sensor-hall-effect-threaded-body/


That a clever way to do it! - I have sensed off a tone ring on the rear-end yoke - but I like your set-up!

Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: DoubleD] #3138643
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WOW ... lots of progress there, i need a DVW involved in my project ! When can i drop my car off ??? shruggy


Great job guys ! up


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Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: dizuster] #3138699
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Originally Posted by dizuster
Speed sensor, picks up the park pawl teeth for the data logger for wheel speed. It was extremely valuable info when trying to tune spin with the trans brake/turbo combo.

https://www.diyautotune.com/product/crankshaft-position-sensor-hall-effect-threaded-body/


Yikes, covid prices really hit those sensors. I think mine were less than $30. I have 4 total, 3 on the car and a spare.

I really like the park pawl sensor idea. I wish I would have done that instead of figuring out how to get a sensor on my D60.

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Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: n20mstr] #3138701
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Sure is looking nice.

With each post, the level of detail goes up another notch.

I did not notice the little vent tubes poking through the stub stack at first.
Then my second or third time checking out the picture "Hey what's going on there".


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Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: ZIPPY] #3138712
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Sure is looking nice.

With each post, the level of detail goes up another notch.

I did not notice the little vent tubes poking through the stub stack at first.
Then my second or third time checking out the picture "Hey what's going on there".

For me I would use them as handles to remove them to install 4150's IDK. Doug is really going to town on this and it'll be ready soon as a result. I've seen the car a million times but the first time i saw it in Doug's shop, it's looking noticeably better from the detailing he's been doing.

Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: n20mstr] #3138757
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Originally Posted by n20mstr
WOW ... lots of progress there, i need a DVW involved in my project ! When can i drop my car off ??? shruggy


Great job guys ! up




when can i drop my rides off as well ? biggrin

you guys do fantastic work ! bow bow
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Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: moparx] #3138762
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Looks great.....

You might miss all the little things you get to tune on a turbo car....NA car's are very boring.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: Dragula] #3138983
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I guess I will never get some of the NSS rules..Things like the certain carb or type, a data logger, are not allowed. But you can have an air or electric shifter and log 02's and rpm and but god forbid you log oil pressure or pan vacuum rolleyes

I am sure the car will look great If it is anything like your pops car it will be great. Hope to see it on the NMCA trail this year. We start out year in St Louis


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Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: Al_Alguire] #3138992
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
I guess I will never get some of the NSS rules..Things like the certain carb or type, a data logger, are not allowed. But you can have an air or electric shifter and log 02's and rpm and but god forbid you log oil pressure or pan vacuum rolleyes

I am sure the car will look great If it is anything like your pops car it will be great. Hope to see it on the NMCA trail this year. We start out year in St Louis


I have a buddy that raced with a NSS group, and they told him he couldn't run any other class that weekend. Told him running another class, gave him an unfair advantage...


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Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: Al_Alguire] #3139007
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
I guess I will never get some of the NSS rules..


And to me, that is what kills a class....too many rules.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: Dragula] #3139020
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There are a few quirky rules, but the intent is to try and keep the cars as "nostalgia" as possible. Always a fight against the temptation of modern technology for sure!

In the end it's a class that's been going since the early 90's, and generally pulls more entry's than any other class at nearly all events.

Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: Dragula] #3139021
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I agree on the rules issue , If a guy has a car within the ( year range ) is period correct externally , has stock dash , no extra bells & whistles he should be able to join in the fun . Specifically to run 2 carbs , no tubs , not tires over 10" , carpet in back where back seat was instead of tin is being too picky with who can or can't race .

As a side note : One of the NSS groups was at my track ( Muncie ) they did offer me a chance to run with them ( & I did ) one year , they did place me in with another one of their club guys close in ET , I think we made 5 exhibition runs that night . I feel it appeared as if I was apart of the group , no one would have known if I was a member or not so why make it so specific on rules ? More than likely it is someone higher up that makes these rules . Gary

Re: Turbo to NSS Conversion Progress [Re: Gabby63] #3139048
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I have talked to the "powers that be" about some of the NSS rules "contradictions" before. I get the distinct feeling they done want to change because the racers like it as is. Meaning stuck in the 60/70's for the most part. I agree 100% as long as the car looks correct, fits whatever year parameters they have it should be allowed to run. I also agree at NMCA anyway it is a big class, probably 80% Mopars, which leads me to conclude why they are resistant to change any rules. We all know how afraid most " Mopar" guys are of technology. In the end it is an INDEX class. In the end IMO as long as the car can run the index WITHOUT a throttle stop and looks the part to the fans why not allow more cars. Heck I cann ot even run my 64 with the NSS group out west because I'm "too fast" for their group.

Just an FYI. I will likely never be able to run NMCA NSS anyway as I am usually busy with the heads up car anyway. We spend alot of time working on it, to much to run another car. I'll now step down from my soap box.


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