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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body [Re: A727Tflite] #3137954
04/14/23 12:40 PM
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just a thought, have you tried taking the headers completely off, then sitting the motor with mounts onto the k frame? then once successful, you might find that your passenger clearance problem may have been solved. it still might be tight and the motor may wind up where it should be. then try fitting headers onto the motor. I don't know if your headers are single tubes or welded together, but single tubes are much easier to install. even though my car is an original hemi car once I put those same valve covers on they were almost hitting the shock tower. when I need to take them off, I have to remove the distributor & hope the exhaust rockers are in the correct clearance position. I know it's a royal pain in the butt, but once the motor is in place maybe the headers, or several tubes are wrong. just my .02 cents dave ss/ea #1355 fury

Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body [Re: RO23dave] #3138262
04/15/23 04:23 PM
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You asked in a previous post if the engine is supposed to sit level in the car. I would say no. I would say that the carbs are supposed to sit level. If you look at a street hemi intake I think you will find it is taller in the back than in the front. I don't have a street hemi intake here to measure but a 65 race hemi intake is higher in the back. It is on a 2-1/2 degree incline. I presume this is to make the carbs level. So when you look at the valve covers they should be lower in the back by 2-1/2 degrees. Just my opinion.


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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body [Re: rickseeman] #3138522
04/16/23 05:26 PM
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i have found most factory installations are as you have said, 2-3 1/2 [and a couple at 4] degrees downward slope on the china walls [as well as said valve covers] which makes the carb mounting surface level.
now with that said, some aftermarket intakes have more or less slope on the carb mounting surface.
you may, or may not, be able to level out the carb mounting surface by shimming the transmission mount a bit.
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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body [Re: RO23dave] #3138972
04/18/23 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RO23dave
just a thought, have you tried taking the headers completely off, then sitting the motor with mounts onto the k frame? then once successful, you might find that your passenger clearance problem may have been solved. it still might be tight and the motor may wind up where it should be. then try fitting headers onto the motor. I don't know if your headers are single tubes or welded together, but single tubes are much easier to install. even though my car is an original hemi car once I put those same valve covers on they were almost hitting the shock tower. when I need to take them off, I have to remove the distributor & hope the exhaust rockers are in the correct clearance position. I know it's a royal pain in the butt, but once the motor is in place maybe the headers, or several tubes are wrong. just my .02 cents dave ss/ea #1355 fury


I haven't tried it with the headers off yet. It's worth a shot, however it's hits so much on the drivers side that I don't think it will make a difference. I'll get a measurement on the angle too,


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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body [Re: 73cuda340] #3150467
06/11/23 11:37 AM
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I'm seriously late to the party here, but I dealt with this years ago. I'd already read the Barton valve covers were made by Stage V. Barton rep confirmed for me.
I'd also read about cutting a T-slot (actually a V with a horizontal on top), push in, weld up on inner fender. Also welded up and redrilled shock mount holes. I had that done when I had the engine compartment painted.
Now I can slip fingers between pass-side valve cover and inner fender. Still close on heater motor, but fits.
I had this on Schumacher conversion mounts, then swapped to Devebic K-frame and original mounts. I'll look for the reference article I used.
Good luck!

Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body [Re: Vert] #3154068
06/24/23 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Vert
I'm seriously late to the party here, but I dealt with this years ago. I'd already read the Barton valve covers were made by Stage V. Barton rep confirmed for me.
I'd also read about cutting a T-slot (actually a V with a horizontal on top), push in, weld up on inner fender. Also welded up and redrilled shock mount holes. I had that done when I had the engine compartment painted.
Now I can slip fingers between pass-side valve cover and inner fender. Still close on heater motor, but fits.
I had this on Schumacher conversion mounts, then swapped to Devebic K-frame and original mounts. I'll look for the reference article I used.
Good luck!


Did your clearance issues go away after the Debevec k member swap? I originally thought that all of my clearance issues were due to the Schumacher conversion mounts, but even after swapping in a Debevec k member and stock style mounts, I still have the same issues but now it even hits the smaller manual steering box.


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