https://www.teslarati.com/ev-battery-health-stats-concerns/

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Recurrent surveyed just over 15,000 EV owners and compiled some of the most detailed battery health data ever assembled, showing that EV batteries are lasting far longer than critics and owners have anticipated. Of their massive group of owners, only 1.5% had replaced their batteries outside of a recall or warranty period. Most of those were older Nissan Leafs lacking liquid battery temperature control systems.

Recurrent’s survey included data from 13 vehicle models, including the
Tesla Model S, Model 3, and Model Y; Chevy Bolt, Bolt EUV, and Volt; Hyundai Kona; BMW i3; Audi e-tron; Nissan Leaf; Hyundai Kona and IONIQ 5; and Ford Mustang Mach-E.

Recurrent found that battery degradation was not a linear phenomenon.
From each of the surveyed groups, while the EV range peaked within 10-20,000 miles, it quickly degraded and flatlined as it approached 100,000 miles.

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Survey done by TESLARATI so I'll take that into consideration and with a grain of salt.

So the batteries lasted less than a set of tires on a normal car. I expect the battery pack cost a little more than a set of tires.

Using the dashboard estimated range display is anecdotal, at best.

Run them till they stop then mark your range down.

Batteries are lasting longer than critics and owners have anticipated? Anticipated? Now that's a scientific approach. And only 1.5% had replaced batteries outside of a recall or warranty. How many batteries died and weren't replaced because of cost? The fact remains that 1) the batteries are going to die, and 2) the cost to replace them will be more than the car is worth. A true disposable commodity.

This is very discouraging news for those that drive used and/or older vehicles. The average age of passenger vehicles on the road today is over 12 years. And have over 160,000 miles.

The average age of a car compared to the average age of a light truck are nearly the same. We're estimating the average age at 12.2 years in 2022, and 12.3 in 2023, which will be an all-time high. Americans hold on to their cars longer than ever.
https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2022/02/how-old-are-cars

The average distance driven is different for every driver. But on average, drivers travel 13,476 miles per year on U.S. roads, according to the U.S. Department of Transportation's Federal Highway Administration (FHWA).
www.caranddriver.com/auto-loans/a32880477/average-mileage-per-year

It's the stories like this that bother me. And even if the batteries were easier to find and cheaper the newest car I have is 9 years old.

As far as I'm concerned to make electric vehicles a viable option they need to standardize the batteries or do something that make them easier and affordable to replace because not everyone can afford to buy a new car every few years.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/gopublic/nissan-leaf-electric-vehicle-new-battery-1.5769998

The best option just my thought is electric in town gas on highway aka hybrid

They are doing this in Japan with motorcycles and scooters so instead of recharging your battery you just do an exchange like getting a propane tank for your BBQ It would be pretty tough with a big vehicle battery but at least when it dies there's one battery made but many more competing manufactures to cut cost. Wish the would standardize power tool batteries too so my De Walt would work with my Milwaukee and Bosch, and etc.

I drove a 2014 Leaf for 5 years with no noticeable reduction in battery capability. Dealers were asking more for that car when I sold it than when I bought it. First time I've had a daily driver appreciate in value as I drove it. I traded it in recently for a 2020 Leaf. The 2020 has twice the range and significantly more power as well as a ton of extra features.

Correct. Look at the brand new Prius. It finally does not look like a box.

Besides coming up with a universal battery, the car companies need to standardize the charging system.

Anyone else remember when a car was worn out and considered junk at 100,000 miles?

With a modern car if all I can expect to get out of a car 100,000 and then get saddled with an extremely expensive repair I'll pass.

Used prices on these will be terrible as the mileage get up because nobody wants to get saddled with the cost of a battery replacement. In effect you won't be able to unload them either.

Only way I would consider one is 3 conditions are met.

1. I only traveled local.
2. I have easy access to a charge port at work.
3. I leased it so I would not have to replace it before the batteries.

Doesn't look like I will ever own one.

You got the good Leaf! I have a 2011 Leaf I bought used about 4 years ago for $3,500. Drove it a lot but down to 8 bars and driving to work and back on a single charge is iffy (Just 32 miles). Useless. With no thermal management that 24KW battery is a dog in the desert. The prior owner replaced the battery in 2017 and its due again. Dealer said they "might" warranty (or not), but also said a new battery in today's market is $15K. No thank-you.

Years ago my Dad and I read the book “The Walmart Way” written by a friend in the Carolina Canoe Club.

There is a chapter in that book were Sam Walton was convinced to first put pharmacies in his stores even though they would lose money for the first 5 to 6 years, if “only” drug sales $ were considered.

The “upshot” to the pharmacies is that extra customers would come through Walmart’s door, and wander the aisles for awhile while waiting for their prescriptions to be ready.

I see electric vehicle charging stations in Walmart parking lots and cannot help but wonder:
is this another
“Get ‘em wandering the aisles while they wait”
ploy to boost sales?

Nissan may have made strides in their battery's power, but the real questions are how much to replace them and how long do they last?

Any insight into those issues?

And ironically, trucks have also appreciated in value the last few years. So, we have examples at both ends of the 'green' spectrum.

How much of a difference in range do you see between the summer and winter months?

Summer and winter is a consideration. Saw numbers but can’t remember so won’t say I know right off.

Tesla says to expect the battery to degrade at least 3% per year no matter how it is treated.