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Another Cummins Question #3132634
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My '98 12 valve has always had low oil pressure (confirmed with gauge). So I decided to run this to ground. I pulled the oil pressure regulating valve and spring out of the oil filter housing last night. Looked down the bore expecting to find a complete 360 degree seat for the valve spool. What I saw was what appears to be a seat less than half of the circumference. It looks more like a stop for the valve spool than a seat. Is this what it is supposed to look like? Am I misinterpreting how the valve works, ie, there is no seat and it is more of a shuttle style valve? I have the FSM and it is no good as far as anything detailed. Anyone have any input?


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Originally Posted by NITROUSN
What is your oil pressure? What oil do you run?

About 25 hot at around 1800 rpm. 15W-40 Valvoline diesel. 180,000 miles.


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Re: Another Cummins Question [Re: NITROUSN] #3132670
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Originally Posted by NITROUSN
What are the specs in the manual? I recall minimum 10 at idle and 30 at load. Is that what the mechanical gauge said? We replaced a lot of sending units to low readings and sometimes zero readings.


That is correct and that is not what the mechanical gauge said, 25 at about 1800. I'm convinced that I have low oil pressure, the question about the oil pressure regulator is just going down the possible reasons, easiest ones first.


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Originally Posted by NITROUSN
Let me ask you this question. What made you suspect low oil pressure in the first place?


Low instrument cluster oil pressure reading. That's how I can say it has always had low oil pressure. First order of business, check with a known good mechanical gauge. I have done that. Simple as that. And before you ask, yes the instrument cluster gauge agrees with the mechanical gauge.


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Originally Posted by NITROUSN
As I recall the oil sender is a switch. The oil pressure you see now is the same the truck had when new. But you know all that so I wont waste our time.


My 1998 truck has the sender for the analog dash gauge. It may have some other function, I haven't checked. As to what oil pressure the truck had when new, have no clue, What it has now is about what it had when I bought it used at 150,000 miles.. I did buy my 2010 Cummins new and it caries 56 psig hot at about 1800 rpm with 5W-40 Valvoline full synthetic diesel oil after 54,000 miles.


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Originally Posted by NITROUSN
It has an analog gauge but it only goes to one setting once the switch/sender is tripped. The gauge does not change cold to hot or idle to governor limit.


So it's not a gauge? Interesting. I'll have to research the FMS on this one.


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Re: Another Cummins Question [Re: NITROUSN] #3132917
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Originally Posted by NITROUSN
My 95 FSM says 10 psi at idle and 30psi at 2,500 rpm's. The regulator valve opens at 65 psi. The spring free length is 66mm or 2.6 inches. At 126N or 28.4 pounds of pressure it should be at a height of 44.25mm or 1.62 inches.


One of the first things I did was the free length check on my relief valve spring based on the criteria in the FMS. It failed and I bought a new one. All of the relief valve components, plug/O-ring/spring/valve have been discontinued by Chrysler. I had to source the spring through a Cummins dealer using the ESN. As to the oil pressure sender/gauge, I went through the operational description and the wiring diagrams in the FSM. Unless I am missing something it reads like a conventional resistance based sender with an analog gauge. Could not find a switch, per se, anywhere in the wiring diagram or mentioned in the text. Don't know what to say. shruggy


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This is my first time inside a Cummins and I have to admit that had I known at the start what I think I do now, I'd probably done some things differently. I guess that's how we learn. Thanks for the comments! up


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Well, I only know what I see. And what I see concerns me. I don't call that a hunch, I call that a concern. I had a low oil pressure concern on a 383 once that I ignored because it met the minimum oil pressure specifications. When the pickup fell off due to a crack that progressed through the pickup tube....that did not end well. I don't ignore low oil pressure concerns any more.


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I don't have an answer for you as I've never looked inside one of those housings, but I am pretty sure the modelled oil pressure started with the 24 valve engine. Not positive though.


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I just pulled the oil filter adapter off this afternoon looking for a gasket problem. My question has been answered. What you see down the bore is NOT a seat for the relief valve plunger, it's a stop. And the diagrams in both the Dodge FSM and the Cummins repair manuals about how the valve functions are grossly inaccurate.


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