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Pinion Gear Splines Update #3131919
03/24/23 01:48 PM
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1970 Challenger TA with 3:91 Gears.
Which is correct for a 489 case pinion spline. A 10 spline pinion or 29 spline pinion. Did 1970 use both splines. Which application for which car.
Something not adding up. Ring Gear # 2070225 3.91-1 MS291 8-4-69
Pinion # 2881460 3.91 3-6-69 10 Spline 7290 Yoke

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Re: Pinion Gear Splines Update [Re: VCODE] #3131983
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Both are available, depending on ratios, manufactures and luck.


If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
Re: Pinion Gear Splines Update [Re: CMcAllister] #3132083
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Originally Posted by CMcAllister
Both are available, depending on ratios, manufactures and luck.






Agreed, but I've found the 10 spline more uncommon on E body 8 3/4 chucks over the decades

Re: Pinion Gear Splines Update [Re: CMcAllister] #3132084
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Originally Posted by CMcAllister
Both are available, depending on ratios, manufactures and luck.


Yep, there doesn’t seem to be a formula for determining which is “correct”.

Re: Pinion Gear Splines Update [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #3132093
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The Parts book shows both 10 and 29. with notes on each. Looks like 70 - 71 may have had a running change at some point

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Re: Pinion Gear Splines Update [Re: VCODE] #3132198
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now for the related question, are the 10 and 29 spline yokes the same for all the 8 3/4 housings [741, 742, 489] that use whichever spline count ?
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Ring Gear # 2070225 3.91-1 MS291 8-4-69
Pinion # 2881460 3.91 3-6-69 10 Spline 7290 Yoke

Off Topic but is it common for the dates on the ring and pinion to be that far apart?


In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.
Re: Pinion Gear Splines Update [Re: GomangoCuda] #3132279
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Originally Posted by GomangoCuda
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Ring Gear # 2070225 3.91-1 MS291 8-4-69
Pinion # 2881460 3.91 3-6-69 10 Spline 7290 Yoke

Off Topic but is it common for the dates on the ring and pinion to be that far apart?


That's what I am asking. I though the ring & pinion where matched sets made together.


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Re: Pinion Gear Splines Update [Re: VCODE] #3132287
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Originally Posted by VCODE
Originally Posted by GomangoCuda
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Ring Gear # 2070225 3.91-1 MS291 8-4-69
Pinion # 2881460 3.91 3-6-69 10 Spline 7290 Yoke

Off Topic but is it common for the dates on the ring and pinion to be that far apart?


That's what I am asking. I though the ring & pinion where matched sets made together.


The dates are made into the parts at the time of manufacturing. Ring and pinions are then put together in a machine and lapped as a set.

You'll probably never see a set that have both matching dates the same on the ring and the pinion.

Tom

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Re: Pinion Gear Splines Update [Re: PROSTOCKTOM] #3132292
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Originally Posted by PROSTOCKTOM
Originally Posted by VCODE
Originally Posted by GomangoCuda
Quote
Ring Gear # 2070225 3.91-1 MS291 8-4-69
Pinion # 2881460 3.91 3-6-69 10 Spline 7290 Yoke

Off Topic but is it common for the dates on the ring and pinion to be that far apart?


That's what I am asking. I though the ring & pinion where matched sets made together.


The dates are made into the parts at the time of manufacturing. Ring and pinions are then put together in a machine and lapped as a set.

You'll probably never see a set that have both matching dates the same on the ring and the pinion.

Tom


Ok Thanks, That clears that up.


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