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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting [Re: TooMany62s] #3131657
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Originally Posted by TooMany62s


Wasn't there something called a hydrogen bomb?



A hydrogen bomb is in the family of nuclear bombs. The Atomic bomb split heavy unstable atoms like plutonium and the hydrogen bomb fuses hydrogen atoms to make helium.

In either case the energy released is insane. Atomic fusion reactions are not possible in a hydrogen fuel powered car. Lots of technology required and they don't use run of the mill hydrogen but a specific isotope of hydrogen.

If you were just cracking a joke, you got me. up haha

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Kawasaki Is Putting All Its Eggs In The Hydrogen Basket For Future Motorcycles

This technology provides the best of both the worlds – the feel of a conventional engine without destroying the world around us.

For this engine to work the way it is expected to, direct injection is a must. Port injection will end up resulting in hydrogen being pushed back out of the intake port which, goes without saying, will result in a mismatch in the firing order. Another thing that Kawasaki has under its belt is the supercharger that it uses on its H2 motorcycle. This combination of compressed air and hydrogen being fed straight to the ignition chamber is the most ideal way for this engine to operate. On paper, this engine should make significantly more power than its gasoline counterpart.

Come on Harley and Indian dump those EV's and get on the hydrogen track. Harley you may even be able to save that sweet Harley ICE sound and not that EV buzz or hum down




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Very interesting.
Thanks for posting.

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Kawasaki is already working on an entire ecosystem of hydrogen-related products and technologies across its span of products. These include enormous hydrogen-fueled combustion engines for ships, which the company intends to demonstrate by 2025, and even hydrogen-powered jet aircraft that are penciled in for launch sometime around 2035.

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While it’s not completely eco-friendly—the presence of nitrogen in the air means there are also NOx emissions from a hydrogen-fueled combustion engine—most of the exhaust would be nothing more than water vapor.

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Japan has long had interesting projects to extract things from seawater.

Pre-WW-II Japan had a plant to extract Magnesium from seawater to make lighter, stronger aluminum alloys.

Today has a program to extract Uranium from seawater, and is heading toward less than $200 per kilogram.

Is there an as yet unknown sea organism that emits hydrogen gas?

The “ozone hole” pushers claimed that only humans made chloro-bromo-hydrocarbon chemicals (Freons)
then sea life gas emissions were found (no one had looked before)

When I was researching rare earth carbides, I came upon the fact that some shell building sea life collected and concentrated rare earths from the sea water and used it in their shells, but it was not apparent that these shells were measurably stronger.

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Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, And Yamaha Join Forces On Hydrogen Bikes


On May 17, 2023, Japan’s Big Four motorcycle manufacturers announced a bold new plan to cooperatively develop hydrogen-powered motorcycle engines. Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Yamaha executives all gathered at a Tokyo press conference to announce the formation of HySE, which stands for “Hydrogen Small Mobility and Engine Technology.”

In addition to the four biggest Japanese moto manufacturers, both Kawasaki Heavy Industries Limited and Toyota Motor Corporation will also join HySE as special members. Having both of those companies on board is important, since both KHI and Toyota have independently advanced their own hydrogen-powered research in their respective fields. While HySE will concern itself with motorcycle engines, it also plans to develop other hydrogen-powered engines for small mobility needs, as well.

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Toyota and Yamaha already have working V-8 prototypes which Toyota CEO says: "This New Engine Will Destroy The Entire EV Industry!"


www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTawvzH0MQ4


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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Toyota and Yamaha already have working V-8 prototypes which Toyota CEO says: "This New Engine Will Destroy The Entire EV Industry!"


www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTawvzH0MQ4

Japan ALWAYS leads the way on innovation, they’re leave the US and Europe sucking for air with their BS EV cars

Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting [Re: cudaman1969] #3145411
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Before you all start thinking the Japanese have the answer watch this


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Watched it before and he has made similar comparisons with batteries and other sources of power but there's too much being invested now and he's not the only one that knows that. They will figure it out. Look at the original range of EV's ten years ago and where they are now. Ever see the amount of space those EV batteries and motors take up in a vehicle and the weight of all it? Rather have a hydrogen powered vehicle than an EV.

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BTW if that's the exhaust on the top, center of the engine what are those exhaust looking ports on the side of the heads???? Or is that thing on the top an intake manifold???

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Originally Posted by A12
BTW if that's the exhaust on the top, center of the engine what are those exhaust looking ports on the side of the heads???? Or is that thing on the top an intake manifold???


Those ports on the side of the head are for the intake, notice the injector notch at the top of the ports?

Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting [Re: Sniper] #3145498
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Before you all start thinking the Japanese have the answer watch this



I have seen his videos, too. He always makes a good case to those of us that know nothing of the physics behind the subject. I would just have to say that I doubt that he is more knowledgeable about the subject than Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha, and Toyota who are putting their money where their mouth is.

Only Sniper would believe that those companies would spend millions and millions of Yen (dollars) to pursue what he (and the internet guy) already know is a dead end technology. laugh2


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I believe Cummins is already knee deep in hydrogen R&D. They also seem to be aware that the gov't hasn't even thought of heavy equipment yet - so they will.

https://www.cummins.com/engines/hydrogen

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Originally Posted by Dart 500
I believe Cummins is already knee deep in hydrogen R&D. They also seem to be aware that the gov't hasn't even thought of heavy equipment yet - so they will.

https://www.cummins.com/engines/hydrogen

Some laymen will figure out HOW to do it without the governments help. It seams to work that way. Once it’s figured out the big money steps in to bank roll it.

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Cummins tried out the EPA favored technique of very heavy EGR to meet the extreme NOx regulations.
That did not work out very well.

I followed Caterpillar as they tried
(with partial USA gov funding)
in the 1980s to make a Cat diesel run on very finely ground up low ash coal.
That did not work out.

The British Navy tried in the 1920s to make torpedos with “no foamy wake bubbles of CO2 gas” using fuel with enriched oxygen.

At that time England considered Japan a friendly ally, and allowed them to see their technology,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/61_cm_Type_90_torpedo

Japan improved this type torpedo to what they called the Type 93, which had no visible wake, twice the range, and a very large warhead.
The English later called these “Long Lance” torpedos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_93_torpedo

Unfortunately, if an attacking airplane hit the Type 93 oxygen tank with as little as a single bullet,
a raging fire could result that would cause the large torpedo warhead to explode and sink the Japanese warship.
After a couple years of use Type 93 torpedos on ship explosions had sunk a few Japanese Destroyers and Cruisers.
Japanese ship captains began to defensively fire off their Type 93 torpedos at the first sighting of an attack by diving enemy aircraft.


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Originally Posted by DaveRS23


Only Sniper would believe that those companies would spend millions and millions of Yen (dollars) to pursue what he (and the internet guy) already know is a dead end technology. laugh2


Typical Dave, has his head where the sun dont shine and does zero follow on research.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-storage

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but providing sufficient hydrogen storage across all light-duty platforms remains a challenge.

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Bet one of those companies has it figured out or an ace up their sleeve wink

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If they did they'd be crowing about it because that is the real issue with hydrogen. Safely storing enough hydrogen to get 300 miles out of a reasonably sized tank, then safely refilling it is the problem.

Running an engine on hydrogen is no real great feat. All's Toyota did was ensure the durability, again no great engineering feat.

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Originally Posted by Sniper
If they did they'd be crowing about it because that is the real issue with hydrogen. Safely storing enough hydrogen to get 300 miles out of a reasonably sized tank, then safely refilling it is the problem.

Running an engine on hydrogen is no real great feat. All's Toyota did was ensure the durability, again no great engineering feat.



I guess we will see.

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All together now:

Sniper knows more than Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha, and Toyota put together!

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Storage is fixable. I think the real problem with Hygrogen is it takes 50% more energy to make it than you get back from it.

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