Changes to MLB
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I know some of you don't care. I've dropped all professional sports except Baseball. For those who still watch MLB, I'm wondering what you think of the bigger changes to MLB this season. I'm not a fan of the larger bases, but I love the pitch clock! 15 seconds with no runners on, 20 seconds with runner/runners on. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the restriction on pitchers of only two pick-off throws to a bag per hitter. Another one I really like is the hitter can only step out twice per ab. This along with the pitch clock have changed the game, finally!!! Now the pitchers can't meander around the mound, rubbing the ball, playing with the rosin bag, adjusting their hats, while the world waits for them. And the hitters can't keep stepping out to adjust their batting gloves after every single pitch!!!.
I've recorder several Tigers games that were replayed in the middle of the night and it was amazing how I did not feel the need to hit the FF button any time except for commercials!!! This was long overdue IMO!!!
Another side benefit that had not occurred to me until it was actually implemented is that some of these broadcasters that drag onnnnn with their tangents can't now lol.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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I know some of you don't care. I've dropped all professional sports except Baseball. For those who still watch MLB, I'm wondering what you think of the bigger changes to MLB this season. I'm not a fan of the larger bases, but I love the pitch clock! 15 seconds with no runners on, 20 seconds with runner/runners on. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the restriction on pitchers of only two pick-off throws to a bag per hitter. Another one I really like is the hitter can only step out twice per ab. This along with the pitch clock have changed the game, finally!!! Now the pitchers can't meander around the mound, rubbing the ball, playing with the rosin bag, adjusting their hats, while the world waits for them. And the hitters can't keep stepping out to adjust their batting gloves after every single pitch!!!.
I've recorder several Tigers games that were replayed in the middle of the night and it was amazing how I did not feel the need to hit the FF button any time except for commercials!!! This was long overdue IMO!!!
Another side benefit that had not occurred to me until it was actually implemented is that some of these broadcasters that drag onnnnn with their tangents can't now lol. Oh that's what it's called
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Re: Changes to MLB
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What's next, less innings, no 7th inning stretch, no mascots, no hotdog, mustard, ketchup, and onion races?? Man don't the stadiums realize how this is going to cut into BEER sales? Oh and how about the fans have to give the home run and foul balls back and no new baseballs if the baseball gets scuffed from a bad pitch, they have to use the same ball the entire game just like we did as kids
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Re: Changes to MLB
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I think there was one or two actual responses.
If you are not familiar, the average game time has increased over the years and has pushed fans away. The number one complainant from viewers, myself included is that games take too long now. Many games lasting over three hours. The chief contributor is the time between pitches. Hitters stepping out of the box between every single pitch, pitchers walking around the mound between every pitch instead of getting the ball and pitching. MLB is finally trying to address this and get average game times back to where they were decades ago and address the complaint from fans.
Some of the responses here were dumb.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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Now THAT I would pay money to go and see !! As would I. Apparently so would a lot of people. They're touring across the country and the all the dates are sold out.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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I like the pitch timer, the only thing it has removed is 30 minutes of dudes scratching their hoo hoos... if you want to watch that there are other places you can go to watch that without inturupting my baseball game ever 30 seconds. This is really just a tweek to an existing rule that has been taken way too much advantage of in the last 30 years, the players asked for it. The only thing I wish they would do different is to shut off the clock with 2 outs in the 9th inning, other than that this was way over due.
Making bigger bases is stupid, what are they gonna do next to make it "safer" go to hitting off a T so the pitchers don't hurt their arm? I don't think the extra 3 inches is helping anyone steal more bases, just a psychological thing. Besides... scoring more runs is not gonna attract more fans, soccer is the fastest growing sport in America and a "good game" frequently ends tied 0-0, all my young friends on facebook post up how exciting games are when they end up 0-0 so I don't think more offense is gonna help. If someone really needs higher scores to be able to watch the game just count every run as 7 points like they do in football.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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What's next, less innings, no 7th inning stretch, no mascots, no hotdog, mustard, ketchup, and onion races?? Man don't the stadiums realize how this is going to cut into BEER sales? Oh and how about the fans have to give the home run and foul balls back and no new baseballs if the baseball gets scuffed from a bad pitch, they have to use the same ball the entire game just like we did as kids I suppose you still wear a derby hat, suit and tie to the game like they did back in the day?
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Re: Changes to MLB
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Basketball needs some changes too ... raise the hoops another five feet !! I've said this for many years. I also agree with "And make the hoop smaller in diameter like an inch or less larger than the ball" I thought it would be better if the hoops were the size of the hoops you see at carnivals. The whole idea of being able to dunk the ball is ridiculous. Not much shooting skill needed for that.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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What's next, less innings, no 7th inning stretch, no mascots, no hotdog, mustard, ketchup, and onion races?? Man don't the stadiums realize how this is going to cut into BEER sales? Oh and how about the fans have to give the home run and foul balls back and no new baseballs if the baseball gets scuffed from a bad pitch, they have to use the same ball the entire game just like we did as kids I suppose you still wear a derby hat, suit and tie to the game like they did back in the day? Ouch! come on Dave, didn't you read the sarcasm there? I've been to many a professional baseball game since I was a kid. Even got to talk to Roberto Clemente after a game at Forbes Field as he was the on his way home. Walked with him from the field exit to his red Cadilac convertible just the two of us, never forget that. How about this view of the game from season tickets, first base side for Cleveland games. Doesn't get much better. Oh and I should add to my sarcastic post, what are they going to do about rain delays and rain cancelations eating up TV network time, I got it make it so all baseball games are played in inside fields or stadiums. This rain delay with my son and I there ended in early AM and I had to go to work the same morning but CLE won with a come from behind Grand Slam I have a nice video memory of. Okay back to the insults and "((((((((PLAY BALL))))))))"Oh and I don't mind the length of the game, it gives me a chance to spend a long day with my wife and son, family or just friends, now they're going to take that away too just for giant TV networks airtime. Just wait for the arguments about the "clock". Go to some other sport and screw up decades of history on how the game is played. If you don't like how long the game is going GO HOME or turn the channel. Just record it and run through the parts you don't like just like watching Graveyard Carz Now where did I leave my derby hat and pocket watch? Mike
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Re: Changes to MLB
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I know some of you don't care. I've dropped all professional sports except Baseball. For those who still watch MLB, I'm wondering what you think of the bigger changes to MLB this season. I'm not a fan of the larger bases, but I love the pitch clock! 15 seconds with no runners on, 20 seconds with runner/runners on. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the restriction on pitchers of only two pick-off throws to a bag per hitter. Another one I really like is the hitter can only step out twice per ab. This along with the pitch clock have changed the game, finally!!! Now the pitchers can't meander around the mound, rubbing the ball, playing with the rosin bag, adjusting their hats, while the world waits for them. And the hitters can't keep stepping out to adjust their batting gloves after every single pitch!!!.
I've recorder several Tigers games that were replayed in the middle of the night and it was amazing how I did not feel the need to hit the FF button any time except for commercials!!! This was long overdue IMO!!!
Another side benefit that had not occurred to me until it was actually implemented is that some of these broadcasters that drag onnnnn with their tangents can't now lol. What are the penalties for these new rules like the 15/20 second delay of game clock........-5 yards like football? or is it an automatic "ball" call? This will be interesting.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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I like the pitch timer, the only thing it has removed is 30 minutes of dudes scratching their hoo hoos... if you want to watch that there are other places you can go to watch that without inturupting my baseball game ever 30 seconds. This is really just a tweek to an existing rule that has been taken way too much advantage of in the last 30 years, the players asked for it. The only thing I wish they would do different is to shut off the clock with 2 outs in the 9th inning, other than that this was way over due.
Making bigger bases is stupid, what are they gonna do next to make it "safer" go to hitting off a T so the pitchers don't hurt their arm? I don't think the extra 3 inches is helping anyone steal more bases, just a psychological thing. Besides... scoring more runs is not gonna attract more fans, soccer is the fastest growing sport in America and a "good game" frequently ends tied 0-0, all my young friends on facebook post up how exciting games are when they end up 0-0 so I don't think more offense is gonna help. If someone really needs higher scores to be able to watch the game just count every run as 7 points like they do in football. As far as bigger bases, they said that is to decrease injuries, especially at 1st base. There are a lot of injuries with the runner going up the line and the throw coming to first baseman, usually from catcher or pitcher and the runner and 1st baseman trying to avoid each other and a collision, or twisted ankles or knees most to runner when he hits the edge of the bag.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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I know some of you don't care. I've dropped all professional sports except Baseball. For those who still watch MLB, I'm wondering what you think of the bigger changes to MLB this season. I'm not a fan of the larger bases, but I love the pitch clock! 15 seconds with no runners on, 20 seconds with runner/runners on. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the restriction on pitchers of only two pick-off throws to a bag per hitter. Another one I really like is the hitter can only step out twice per ab. This along with the pitch clock have changed the game, finally!!! Now the pitchers can't meander around the mound, rubbing the ball, playing with the rosin bag, adjusting their hats, while the world waits for them. And the hitters can't keep stepping out to adjust their batting gloves after every single pitch!!!.
I've recorder several Tigers games that were replayed in the middle of the night and it was amazing how I did not feel the need to hit the FF button any time except for commercials!!! This was long overdue IMO!!!
Another side benefit that had not occurred to me until it was actually implemented is that some of these broadcasters that drag onnnnn with their tangents can't now lol. What are the penalties for these new rules like the 15/20 second delay of game clock........-5 yards like football? or is it an automatic "ball" call? This will be interesting. One warning, second is ball on hitter. As far as you not minding the length of the game; when you're talking being at the game in the park, that's different. But 99.9% are not at the park and the complaints are when watching on TV for three hours or more and too large of a percentage is no action. And that's the problem A12, people have been turning the channel. Players created this problem. MLB didn't use to be like this. Pitchers got the ball, stayed on the rubber, and fired their next pitch. Slowly started the meandering around the mound, the adjusting the hat, adjusting the cup, rubbing the ball, circling the mound again. And then the hitter stepping out after every single pitch! The greats of the past didn't do this. That's why the average MLB game time has increased over the past two decades The fans have spoken. MLB is reacting.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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In 1968 the average game was 2:27
In 2021 it was 3 hours, 3 minutes
See a problem here?
If a hitter had kept stepping out on a pitcher like Bob Gibson for example, back in 1968, he'd have knocked them on their azz.
Facts are stubborn things.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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In 1968 the average game was 2:27
In 2021 it was 3 hours, 3 minutes
See a problem here?
If a hitter had kept stepping out on a pitcher like Bob Gibson for example, back in 1968, he'd have knocked them on their azz. My least favorite aspect of baseball. A grown man gets his feelings hurt and responds by standing 60 feet away from the grown man who hurt his feelings and throwing a ball at him, and this is somehow viewed as tough or macho.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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Slightly off tangent here, I've always said pay players a teacher's or cop's salary and see who REALLY plays for the 'love of the game', THEN I might be interested.
Anyways, back to topic...........................
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Re: Changes to MLB
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I'm looking forward to to the pitch clock. I'm also a fan of eliminating the shift and the limitless throws over to first with a runner on.
Are you guys watching any of the WBC?? Columbia - Mexico was a heck of a game earlier today. The American lineup is absolutely loaded this year. Oh yeah, I forgot about eliminating the shift! I'm a big proponent of that too! It had gotten ridiculous with how often it was used! Enough already with the shift.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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Slightly off tangent here, I've always said pay players a teacher's or cop's salary and see who REALLY plays for the 'love of the game', THEN I might be interested.
Anyways, back to topic...........................
The salaries drive me nuts too John but they do have caps on teams and revenue sharing. If a team goes over they pay a fines and the money is distributed to other teams. I don't know what the answer is to lower salaries other than fans going away and that won't happen entirely. The only reason I still watch MLB cannot be mentioned here. It'd have to go in the unmoderated section. But I can say MLB has not gone the way of the NFL which I have completely abandoned.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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What's next, less innings, no 7th inning stretch, no mascots, no hotdog, mustard, ketchup, and onion races?? Man don't the stadiums realize how this is going to cut into BEER sales? Oh and how about the fans have to give the home run and foul balls back and no new baseballs if the baseball gets scuffed from a bad pitch, they have to use the same ball the entire game just like we did as kids The Brewers will now allow alcohol to be sold until the end of the eighth inning, via Adam McCalvy of MLB.com. The MLB standard usually ends alcohol sales after the seventh inning. However, at least on an experimental basis for now, the Brewers have decided to buck the trend.
“This is reflective of the fact that the games are shorter,” Brewers’ President of business operations Rick Schlesinger said. “From a time perspective, we’re probably looking at selling beer for the same amount of time by extending to the eighth inning.”
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I remember when the push to end alcohol sales in late innings began. I think it was the 90's. A fan came down onto the field and if IIRC punched the first base umpire. That kind of was the last straw after a lot of violence in stadiums involving a-hole drunks.
The games have been so much better and much more like games of the past. None of this standing around the mound adjusting the cap, stepping off the rubber repeatedly. And no more of the hitters re-adjusting batting glove ten times as part of a ritual and walking around outside the box. The game moves now.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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In 1968 the average game was 2:27
In 2021 it was 3 hours, 3 minutes
See a problem here?
If a hitter had kept stepping out on a pitcher like Bob Gibson for example, back in 1968, he'd have knocked them on their azz. My least favorite aspect of baseball. A grown man gets his feelings hurt and responds by standing 60 feet away from the grown man who hurt his feelings and throwing a ball at him, and this is somehow viewed as tough or macho. I get it but remember this started way back before the DH and that pitcher had to step in the box himself, and still does in the National League. Also it was usually a response to something that had happened such as the opposing pitcher hitting or throwing at one of his teammates. Nobody is for head hunters but sending a message around the waist when called for is different. Even an occasional sticking one in their back pocket if their pitcher has been head hunting. Hopefully it is infrequent!
Facts are stubborn things.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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In 1968 the average game was 2:27
In 2021 it was 3 hours, 3 minutes
See a problem here?
If a hitter had kept stepping out on a pitcher like Bob Gibson for example, back in 1968, he'd have knocked them on their azz. My least favorite aspect of baseball. A grown man gets his feelings hurt and responds by standing 60 feet away from the grown man who hurt his feelings and throwing a ball at him, and this is somehow viewed as tough or macho. I get it but remember this started way back before the DH and that pitcher had to step in the box himself, and still does in the National League. Also it was usually a response to something that had happened such as the opposing pitcher hitting or throwing at one of his teammates. Nobody is for head hunters but sending a message around the waist when called for is different. Even an occasional sticking one in their back pocket if their pitcher has been head hunting. Hopefully it is infrequent! Yes but the only player on the field that has that power is one player, the pitcher! I think the batter should be allowed to let the bat fly out of his hands back at and over the head of the pitcher once in a while to even things up (just kidding)
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Re: Changes to MLB
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In 1968 the average game was 2:27
In 2021 it was 3 hours, 3 minutes
See a problem here?
If a hitter had kept stepping out on a pitcher like Bob Gibson for example, back in 1968, he'd have knocked them on their azz. My least favorite aspect of baseball. A grown man gets his feelings hurt and responds by standing 60 feet away from the grown man who hurt his feelings and throwing a ball at him, and this is somehow viewed as tough or macho. I get it but remember this started way back before the DH and that pitcher had to step in the box himself, and still does in the National League. Also it was usually a response to something that had happened such as the opposing pitcher hitting or throwing at one of his teammates. Nobody is for head hunters but sending a message around the waist when called for is different. Even an occasional sticking one in their back pocket if their pitcher has been head hunting. Hopefully it is infrequent! There is a DH in the national league now also. There is only one pitcher left who still gets in the batters box.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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In 1968 the average game was 2:27
In 2021 it was 3 hours, 3 minutes
See a problem here?
If a hitter had kept stepping out on a pitcher like Bob Gibson for example, back in 1968, he'd have knocked them on their azz. My least favorite aspect of baseball. A grown man gets his feelings hurt and responds by standing 60 feet away from the grown man who hurt his feelings and throwing a ball at him, and this is somehow viewed as tough or macho. I get it but remember this started way back before the DH and that pitcher had to step in the box himself, and still does in the National League. Also it was usually a response to something that had happened such as the opposing pitcher hitting or throwing at one of his teammates. Nobody is for head hunters but sending a message around the waist when called for is different. Even an occasional sticking one in their back pocket if their pitcher has been head hunting. Hopefully it is infrequent! There is a DH in the national league now also. There is only one pitcher left who still gets in the batters box. I thought they were going to eliminate the DH in AL? I was hoping for that instead. I haven't watched an NL game this year. I'm a Tigers fan and there hasn't been interleague games yet. I guess Otani is the only one stepping in the box. azblackhemi, I wish most were talented enough to beat the shift a majority of the time but I guess the percentages showed they weren't and it was not enjoyable to the fans. To me stacking infielders on one side was no different than a base runner going way outside the base path to avoid a tag.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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azblackhemi, I wish most were talented enough to beat the shift a majority of the time but I guess the percentages showed they weren't and it was not enjoyable to the fans. To me stacking infielders on one side was no different than a base runner going way outside the base path to avoid a tag. [/quote]
I'm a tigers fan too and it's gonna be a looong summer. I wish too they would have got rid of the DH but they instead dug in and made it worse, even if they don't hit well they need to be in there to keep em honest. Regarding the shift it was far more fun to me watching the third baseman chase a bunted ball way down the line while the batter was racing from home to 2nd or 3rd than a homerun... the bunt double and bloop triple were some of the most fun ever in a baseball game, they should have never eliminated the shift. There has been plenty of interleauge play already (rays spanking Nationals along with tigers and A's, they have literally played the 3 absolute worst teams in all of baseball, heck even boston sucks).
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I haven't seen any games except Tigers so haven't seen any interleague. I didn't mind the shift in years past, but it got to be to frequent for me. Anyway don't want to beat a dead horse. I'm just glad to see the games played quicker and not all the standing around while these premadonnas think everyone has to wait on them. Another bonus to games moving faster is some of these long winded broadcasters can't ramble on and on! Remember Hawk Harrelson of the White Sox? Omg that guy was so annoying with his boring stories and he'd always tell them when the opposition was hitting (Tigers).
Tigers are in trouble. Casey Mize out, now Manning out (hopefully not too long), and not scoring runs. While I'm not for always blaming managers, I think it might be time for A.J. Hinch to go. Where's Alan Trammell?
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I haven't seen any games except Tigers so haven't seen any interleague. I didn't mind the shift in years past, but it got to be to frequent for me. Anyway don't want to beat a dead horse. I'm just glad to see the games played quicker and not all the standing around while these premadonnas think everyone has to wait on them. Another bonus to games moving faster is some of these long winded broadcasters can't ramble on and on! Remember Hawk Harrelson of the White Sox? Omg that guy was so annoying with his boring stories and he'd always tell them when the opposition was hitting (Tigers).
Tigers are in trouble. Casey Mize out, now Manning out (hopefully not too long), and not scoring runs. While I'm not for always blaming managers, I think it might be time for A.J. Hinch to go. Where's Alan Trammell? I was never excited about hinch especially when he refused to put garret cole in the last game of the world series against the nationals because analytics, that move likely cost him another ring then his involvement with the cheating crap. Trammel is one of my all time favorite players but I am afraid he is too old school and would look like tony larusa did last couple years. As for this whole season we were already doomed when we traded away the one thing we had sorted out (bullpen) for a sack of used jock straps. I hope eqduardo and javier walk next year and harris finds some decent replacements, I am still bitter they passed on Marcelo Mayer in the draft, we needed a SS and he was the best guy on the board.
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I haven't seen any games except Tigers so haven't seen any interleague. I didn't mind the shift in years past, but it got to be to frequent for me. Anyway don't want to beat a dead horse. I'm just glad to see the games played quicker and not all the standing around while these premadonnas think everyone has to wait on them. Another bonus to games moving faster is some of these long winded broadcasters can't ramble on and on! Remember Hawk Harrelson of the White Sox? Omg that guy was so annoying with his boring stories and he'd always tell them when the opposition was hitting (Tigers).
Tigers are in trouble. Casey Mize out, now Manning out (hopefully not too long), and not scoring runs. While I'm not for always blaming managers, I think it might be time for A.J. Hinch to go. Where's Alan Trammell? I was never excited about hinch especially when he refused to put garret cole in the last game of the world series against the nationals because analytics, that move likely cost him another ring then his involvement with the cheating crap. Trammel is one of my all time favorite players but I am afraid he is too old school and would look like tony larusa did last couple years. As for this whole season we were already doomed when we traded away the one thing we had sorted out (bullpen) for a sack of used jock straps. I hope eqduardo and javier walk next year and harris finds some decent replacements, I am still bitter they passed on Marcelo Mayer in the draft, we needed a SS and he was the best guy on the board. I hated to see the bullpen go too. I agree a SS is needed but I guess they figure Baez has several years left and is a star despite disappointment so far. I'm not a fan of his personality and would love to see a farm hand come up soon and take his spot so he could be traded in his final year if not sooner. Trammell is old school but I think has the ability to really bring a team together and teach the fundamentals. I really admired him for what a quality guy he always was. Never had an agent; just came in and signed his new contract after a ten minute discussion. A real class act along with such a solid player for so many years that made me so happy to be a Tigers fan. Killing the Tigers right now is not having at least one big bat in the lineup.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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Lost most interest in the game after one of the player strikes when they were crying for more money & had a shortened season. Of course the greed by the owners is a huge turn off as well. I'd watch it on TV when I felt like it, but I never paid for a sports channel to get games on TV. When the YES network had a contract dispute with my satellite company & I lost the channel entirely, I stopped watching. I have only been to four games in the last 30 years & three of them were free when I was given a ticket. The one I paid for was actually the last year that the old Yankee Stadium was still being used & the new one was being built next to it. I took my wife & son so they could at least see the place before it was gone. When rules or ways the game is played change it's always hard to get used to it. I didn't think the DH was a good idea but got used to it. I used to like seeing pitchers get 20+ wins regularly but now it's rare that they get 20 starts. I'd get used to the new rules even if I don't like them. You can adapt, it's part of life. The things I can't adapt to are shelling out $250 a month for TV, $20 hot dogs, $30 beers, $12 candy bars, & all after paying the equivalent of the GDP of a small country for tickets to crappy seats with some drunken loudmouth standing in front of me ready to jump on to the field to have a fist fight with the umpire. I still love baseball, always did. I even went & tired out for a minor league team in 1995 & met the manager who played for the the Detroit Tigers when I was a kid, Ron LeFlore. (I didn't make the team by the way...LOL)
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Lost most interest in the game after one of the player strikes when they were crying for more money & had a shortened season. Of course the greed by the owners is a huge turn off as well. I'd watch it on TV when I felt like it, but I never paid for a sports channel to get games on TV. When the YES network had a contract dispute with my satellite company & I lost the channel entirely, I stopped watching. I have only been to four games in the last 30 years & three of them were free when I was given a ticket. The one I paid for was actually the last year that the old Yankee Stadium was still being used & the new one was being built next to it. I took my wife & son so they could at least see the place before it was gone. When rules or ways the game is played change it's always hard to get used to it. I didn't think the DH was a good idea but got used to it. I used to like seeing pitchers get 20+ wins regularly but now it's rare that they get 20 starts. I'd get used to the new rules even if I don't like them. You can adapt, it's part of life. The things I can't adapt to are shelling out $250 a month for TV, $20 hot dogs, $30 beers, $12 candy bars, & all after paying the equivalent of the GDP of a small country for tickets to crappy seats with some drunken loudmouth standing in front of me ready to jump on to the field to have a fist fight with the umpire. I still love baseball, always did. I even went & tired out for a minor league team in 1995 & met the manager who played for the the Detroit Tigers when I was a kid, Ron LeFlore. (I didn't make the team by the way...LOL) Ron LeFlore! That's a great story from the past! I understand everything you wrote about! It was great when pitchers would pitch complete games and pitch well over 200 innings a season. Real workhorses and bulldogs. Now so many have a pre-planned bull pen schedule for the 7th, 8th and 9th. Remember Jack Morris? Quite the work horse. Although not in the same category, I actually liked Dan Petry better. Greed has certainly effected the game negatively. Ads are everywhere during the game and it's annoying. They are even showing in-game commercials! I'm hanging on because the game I have loved all my life is the last professional sport I watch. I haven't gone to a Spring Training game in over a decade, and I'm in Florida and several train only an hour away. Joker Marchant stadium is only about two hours away. P.S. As much as I hate to admit it, I believe Dave Windfield had the strongest arm in Right Field I ever saw. Geez, I remember someone on the Tigers hitting a ball to deep right and it hit the base of the wall and died there. Winfield picked it up and threw a cannon from the wall to Home on the fly and nailed the runner that had been on First. I still remember it all these years later and I was just a little kid. That's when both were in the AL East and rivals of course.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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Stopped watching about all, when new parks were built with shorter outfield distances. All for the sake of giving the viewers more opportunities to witness more HOMERUNS !!! Just compare many old-to-new stadiums. Yes I hate that crap too. Although I was so happy when they started doing away with domes and going back to open air old style stadiums! I hate the way teams seem to wear ten different uniforms a season. What's that about? Keeping the ADD fans watching? I don't mind a vintage uniform day but this other flashy crap is annoying and wasteful.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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HotRodDave I couldn't send you a private message, but suddenly the Tigers have won five in a row including taking a double header yesterday!!
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Not on a winning streak now. None of the teams they beat this year have a record better than .500 so I am not too excited yet.
When I was a kid I used to ride my bicycle across lakeland to go to the games and even when I couldn't get in I would go just to try to get autos after the game and I got to meet Cecil Fielder my all time favorite, Sweet lou, Tramell parish, Morris, Tony, Gibson, Sparky and tons of others and still have all their autos, unfortunately my Cecil auto is so faded I almost can't see it at all. I even got to meet Al Kaline at a golf course my dad worked at and got his auto on a ball, sold it and have regretted it for approximately 30 years now.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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Not on a winning streak now. None of the teams they beat this year have a record better than .500 so I am not too excited yet.
When I was a kid I used to ride my bicycle across lakeland to go to the games and even when I couldn't get in I would go just to try to get autos after the game and I got to meet Cecil Fielder my all time favorite, Sweet lou, Tramell parish, Morris, Tony, Gibson, Sparky and tons of others and still have all their autos, unfortunately my Cecil auto is so faded I almost can't see it at all. I even got to meet Al Kaline at a golf course my dad worked at and got his auto on a ball, sold it and have regretted it for approximately 30 years now. Those were the guys from my childhood that will always be "The Tigers" in my mind. I have the starting lineup in my head forever. Whitaker, Trammell, Gibson, Parrish; then it could go a few ways but usually DH Darrell Evans or Marty Castillo then Chet Lemon, Larry Herndon, and Tom Brookens. Later we'd see Dave Bergman at first for defense (remember odd batting stance, real closed stance). Those were the days! My dad would drive me to Dodgertown in Vero Beach because that was the closest spring training site and a great one to see a game. You could get up close to the players and I got Sparky's autograph along with Lou and Alan. Such good times.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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But remember A12, back during these great times the games averaged much less time then they were in 2022. They progressively became longer and longer and went from 2.5 hours to over 3 hours and it was the number one complaint from fans. The premadonnas at the plate who expected everyone to wait while they stepped out of the box after every single pitch to play with their batting gloves, sweat bands, gold chains, etc. Same for the pitchers that wanted to walk around the mound after every pitch while the world waits for THEM. So really, the timer is returning the game to what it was when we all remember it at it's best.
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Ron LeFlore! That's a great story from the past! I understand everything you wrote about! It was great when pitchers would pitch complete games and pitch well over 200 innings a season. Real workhorses and bulldogs. Now so many have a pre-planned bull pen schedule for the 7th, 8th and 9th. Remember Jack Morris? Quite the work horse. Although not in the same category, I actually liked Dan Petry better.
Greed has certainly effected the game negatively. Ads are everywhere during the game and it's annoying. They are even showing in-game commercials! I'm hanging on because the game I have loved all my life is the last professional sport I watch. I haven't gone to a Spring Training game in over a decade, and I'm in Florida and several train only an hour away. Joker Marchant stadium is only about two hours away.
P.S. As much as I hate to admit it, I believe Dave Windfield had the strongest arm in Right Field I ever saw. Geez, I remember someone on the Tigers hitting a ball to deep right and it hit the base of the wall and died there. Winfield picked it up and threw a cannon from the wall to Home on the fly and nailed the runner that had been on First. I still remember it all these years later and I was just a little kid. That's when both were in the AL East and rivals of course.
I also recall a pitcher getting 30 wins in a season. (Although I had to look it up, it was Denny McLain in 1968.) Seems like today winning 10 games is the milestone. I can accept that because of all the injuries & shortened careers some had. Minor League games are fun, the atmosphere at the park is great & everything is still affordable. Dave Winfield was fun to watch. I saw Paul O'Neill do something similar a few times, another great arm.
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Ron LeFlore! That's a great story from the past! I understand everything you wrote about! It was great when pitchers would pitch complete games and pitch well over 200 innings a season. Real workhorses and bulldogs. Now so many have a pre-planned bull pen schedule for the 7th, 8th and 9th. Remember Jack Morris? Quite the work horse. Although not in the same category, I actually liked Dan Petry better.
Greed has certainly effected the game negatively. Ads are everywhere during the game and it's annoying. They are even showing in-game commercials! I'm hanging on because the game I have loved all my life is the last professional sport I watch. I haven't gone to a Spring Training game in over a decade, and I'm in Florida and several train only an hour away. Joker Marchant stadium is only about two hours away.
P.S. As much as I hate to admit it, I believe Dave Windfield had the strongest arm in Right Field I ever saw. Geez, I remember someone on the Tigers hitting a ball to deep right and it hit the base of the wall and died there. Winfield picked it up and threw a cannon from the wall to Home on the fly and nailed the runner that had been on First. I still remember it all these years later and I was just a little kid. That's when both were in the AL East and rivals of course.
I also recall a pitcher getting 30 wins in a season. (Although I had to look it up, it was Denny McLain in 1968.) Seems like today winning 10 games is the milestone. I can accept that because of all the injuries & shortened careers some had. Minor League games are fun, the atmosphere at the park is great & everything is still affordable. Dave Winfield was fun to watch. I saw Paul O'Neill do something similar a few times, another great arm. They still have all the injuries and shortened careers, they just train harder instead of playing harder. The lighter work load has done nothing for longevity.
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Ron LeFlore! That's a great story from the past! I understand everything you wrote about! It was great when pitchers would pitch complete games and pitch well over 200 innings a season. Real workhorses and bulldogs. Now so many have a pre-planned bull pen schedule for the 7th, 8th and 9th. Remember Jack Morris? Quite the work horse. Although not in the same category, I actually liked Dan Petry better.
Greed has certainly effected the game negatively. Ads are everywhere during the game and it's annoying. They are even showing in-game commercials! I'm hanging on because the game I have loved all my life is the last professional sport I watch. I haven't gone to a Spring Training game in over a decade, and I'm in Florida and several train only an hour away. Joker Marchant stadium is only about two hours away.
P.S. As much as I hate to admit it, I believe Dave Windfield had the strongest arm in Right Field I ever saw. Geez, I remember someone on the Tigers hitting a ball to deep right and it hit the base of the wall and died there. Winfield picked it up and threw a cannon from the wall to Home on the fly and nailed the runner that had been on First. I still remember it all these years later and I was just a little kid. That's when both were in the AL East and rivals of course.
I also recall a pitcher getting 30 wins in a season. (Although I had to look it up, it was Denny McLain in 1968.) Seems like today winning 10 games is the milestone. I can accept that because of all the injuries & shortened careers some had. Minor League games are fun, the atmosphere at the park is great & everything is still affordable. Dave Winfield was fun to watch. I saw Paul O'Neill do something similar a few times, another great arm. They still have all the injuries and shortened careers, they just train harder instead of playing harder. The lighter work load has done nothing for longevity. Just today Dan Plesac on "MLB Now" was talking about pitchers learning starting in college that 5-6 innings is a quality start and that it's not smart and needs to change.
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Re: Changes to MLB
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I haven't seen any games except Tigers so haven't seen any interleague. I didn't mind the shift in years past, but it got to be to frequent for me. Anyway don't want to beat a dead horse. I'm just glad to see the games played quicker and not all the standing around while these premadonnas think everyone has to wait on them. Another bonus to games moving faster is some of these long winded broadcasters can't ramble on and on! Remember Hawk Harrelson of the White Sox? Omg that guy was so annoying with his boring stories and he'd always tell them when the opposition was hitting (Tigers).
Tigers are in trouble. Casey Mize out, now Manning out (hopefully not too long), and not scoring runs. While I'm not for always blaming managers, I think it might be time for A.J. Hinch to go. Where's Alan Trammell? Looking like the tigers aren't gonna get crap for their two best pitchers on the trade market either, gonna have to hurry up and take a last minute deal, I was hoping Harris would be an improvement over Avila but seems to be more of the same, I hope I can eat my words in a couple hours...
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I haven't seen any games except Tigers so haven't seen any interleague. I didn't mind the shift in years past, but it got to be to frequent for me. Anyway don't want to beat a dead horse. I'm just glad to see the games played quicker and not all the standing around while these premadonnas think everyone has to wait on them. Another bonus to games moving faster is some of these long winded broadcasters can't ramble on and on! Remember Hawk Harrelson of the White Sox? Omg that guy was so annoying with his boring stories and he'd always tell them when the opposition was hitting (Tigers).
Tigers are in trouble. Casey Mize out, now Manning out (hopefully not too long), and not scoring runs. While I'm not for always blaming managers, I think it might be time for A.J. Hinch to go. Where's Alan Trammell? Looking like the tigers aren't gonna get crap for their two best pitchers on the trade market either, gonna have to hurry up and take a last minute deal, I was hoping Harris would be an improvement over Avila but seems to be more of the same, I hope I can eat my words in a couple hours... I especially want Eduardo traded. He's no kid and should bring alot from a team in the race! I'm so happy with Torkelson! Really coming alive and being the cleanup guy needed to replace Cabrera.
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Well they just gave away Michael Lorenzen for basically nothing, we can't have anything nice. The whitesox got far better from a worse pitcher.
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I haven't seen any games except Tigers so haven't seen any interleague. I didn't mind the shift in years past, but it got to be to frequent for me. Anyway don't want to beat a dead horse. I'm just glad to see the games played quicker and not all the standing around while these premadonnas think everyone has to wait on them. Another bonus to games moving faster is some of these long winded broadcasters can't ramble on and on! Remember Hawk Harrelson of the White Sox? Omg that guy was so annoying with his boring stories and he'd always tell them when the opposition was hitting (Tigers).
Tigers are in trouble. Casey Mize out, now Manning out (hopefully not too long), and not scoring runs. While I'm not for always blaming managers, I think it might be time for A.J. Hinch to go. Where's Alan Trammell? Looking like the tigers aren't gonna get crap for their two best pitchers on the trade market either, gonna have to hurry up and take a last minute deal, I was hoping Harris would be an improvement over Avila but seems to be more of the same, I hope I can eat my words in a couple hours... I especially want Eduardo traded. He's no kid and should bring alot from a team in the race! I'm so happy with Torkelson! Really coming alive and being the cleanup guy needed to replace Cabrera. Tork is hitting .232 with 3 homeruns in his last 15 games, I was hoping for more from a cleanup hitter who broke barry bonds homerun record in college. He will be serviceable but not a real star outside detroit.
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I haven't seen any games except Tigers so haven't seen any interleague. I didn't mind the shift in years past, but it got to be to frequent for me. Anyway don't want to beat a dead horse. I'm just glad to see the games played quicker and not all the standing around while these premadonnas think everyone has to wait on them. Another bonus to games moving faster is some of these long winded broadcasters can't ramble on and on! Remember Hawk Harrelson of the White Sox? Omg that guy was so annoying with his boring stories and he'd always tell them when the opposition was hitting (Tigers).
Tigers are in trouble. Casey Mize out, now Manning out (hopefully not too long), and not scoring runs. While I'm not for always blaming managers, I think it might be time for A.J. Hinch to go. Where's Alan Trammell? Looking like the tigers aren't gonna get crap for their two best pitchers on the trade market either, gonna have to hurry up and take a last minute deal, I was hoping Harris would be an improvement over Avila but seems to be more of the same, I hope I can eat my words in a couple hours... I especially want Eduardo traded. He's no kid and should bring alot from a team in the race! I'm so happy with Torkelson! Really coming alive and being the cleanup guy needed to replace Cabrera. Tork is hitting .232 with 3 homeruns in his last 15 games, I was hoping for more from a cleanup hitter who broke barry bonds homerun record in college. He will be serviceable but not a real star outside detroit. I have to disagree with you on this. I think he will be a star wherever he plays. I think he's the real deal, just so young still (he's 23). Despite his little slump he still leads team in hits, doubles, HR's, and RBI. And he's played a great 1st base. He's only going to get better.
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Well they just gave away Michael Lorenzen for basically nothing, we can't have anything nice. The whitesox got far better from a worse pitcher. Lorenzen has quite an arm too. BUT, he was going to be a free agent after the season and probably command big money. They got a 20 year old infielder prospect.
Facts are stubborn things.
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Re: Changes to MLB
[Re: larrymopar360]
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08/01/23 06:07 PM
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Posts: 12,419 Kalispell Mt.
HotRodDave
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I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2005
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Kalispell Mt.
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I don't have an issue trading away Lorenzen, it's just that the return is really weak.
The deadline passed about 5 minutes ago and evidently the Tigers and codgers spent all their time negotiating a deal for Eduardo knowing he would reject the trade... that's a bolt strategy cotton!
I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!
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Re: Changes to MLB
[Re: HotRodDave]
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08/01/23 07:43 PM
08/01/23 07:43 PM
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Posts: 15,840 Central Florida
larrymopar360
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Stud Muffin
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Stud Muffin
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 15,840
Central Florida
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I don't have an issue trading away Lorenzen, it's just that the return is really weak.
The deadline passed about 5 minutes ago and evidently the Tigers and codgers spent all their time negotiating a deal for Eduardo knowing he would reject the trade... that's a bolt strategy cotton! Why does he reject? Not like he's leaving a winning team.
Facts are stubborn things.
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Re: Changes to MLB
[Re: larrymopar360]
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08/01/23 08:56 PM
08/01/23 08:56 PM
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Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 19,874 Puttin' on the foil in Charles...
not_a_charger
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Mr. Big Shot Moparts Moderator
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 19,874
Puttin' on the foil in Charles...
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I hate the way teams seem to wear ten different uniforms a season. What's that about? Keeping the ADD fans watching? I don't mind a vintage uniform day but this other flashy crap is annoying and wasteful. They do it because they can sell more replica jerseys.
Earning every penny of that moderator paycheck.
DBAP
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Re: Changes to MLB
[Re: larrymopar360]
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08/03/23 01:18 PM
08/03/23 01:18 PM
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Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 12,419 Kalispell Mt.
HotRodDave
I Live Here
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I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 12,419
Kalispell Mt.
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I don't have an issue trading away Lorenzen, it's just that the return is really weak.
The deadline passed about 5 minutes ago and evidently the Tigers and codgers spent all their time negotiating a deal for Eduardo knowing he would reject the trade... that's a bolt strategy cotton! Why does he reject? Not like he's leaving a winning team. He would be taking a big pay cut going to the dodgers and 2 or 3 months away from his family playing for a team he don't want to play for maybe??? He had 19 other teams he could have negotiated with including several who wanted Eduardo... Ken griffey Jr said he would quit if he was traded to the yankees. After last year it is clear he has family issues and nothing is more important than family. Maybe he signed with the tigers in the first place because he is a tigers fan? Some people actually have a favorite team you know.
I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!
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