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HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting #3127448
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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting [Re: A12] #3127449
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Only works if you don't look at how hydrogen is actually made.

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Originally Posted by Sniper
Only works if you don't look at how hydrogen is actually made NOW.


I think about the same thing was said about oil, gasoline, diesel and kerosene back in the mid 1800's. Eventually there will be a John Davison Rockefeller type company come along and figure out how to "git er done". It will be just as cheap as making batteries or cheaper and China won't have everyone by the ba........ just my twocents

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Unless China is the one that develops the technology. Or steals it and sells it back to us.


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Originally Posted by A12
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Only works if you don't look at how hydrogen is actually made NOW.


I think about the same thing was said about oil, gasoline, diesel and kerosene back in the mid 1800's. Eventually there will be a John Davison Rockefeller type company come along and figure out how to "git er done". It will be just as cheap as making batteries or cheaper and China won't have everyone by the ba........ just my twocents


Gee, we could just use fusion power to generate the hydrogen, should be ready in sometime in the next 30 years, which they have been saying for the late 50+ years.

IOW, don't count your chickens till the egg hatches.

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Isolating/extracting hydrogen is energy intensive as of now. It is a decent solution at the vehicle level, though.

BUT, even if we do not use the fuel derived from oil, we still need the crude for everything plastic in our lives. I doubt anything cleaner or less expensive will come down the line in my lifetime...

Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting [Re: Sniper] #3127678
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Originally Posted by Sniper
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Only works if you don't look at how hydrogen is actually made NOW.


I think about the same thing was said about oil, gasoline, diesel and kerosene back in the mid 1800's. Eventually there will be a John Davison Rockefeller type company come along and figure out how to "git er done". It will be just as cheap as making batteries or cheaper and China won't have everyone by the ba........ just my twocents


Gee, we could just use fusion power to generate the hydrogen, should be ready in sometime in the next 30 years, which they have been saying for the late 50+ years.

IOW, don't count your chickens till the egg hatches.


There's been no urgent need for hydrogen like there seems to be now or in the coming future. So I'll just lay down and crawl up into the fetal position and let the eco warriors take over and sign up for an EV, which btw most thought as little as a decade or two ago would never happen or be a threat to the internal combustion engine. Look at how battery technology has advanced leaps and bounds in just the last decade and not with just electric/battery vehicles. You can bet if there is a demand for hydrogen someone will figure it out because it means $$$$$$$. Someone will figure it out, and I'll be back grin wink

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Very good, and I agree 100 percent , the solution is going to be the use of various types of technology not only electric

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The petroleum industry and every other industry that supports the petroleum industry will fight tool and nail to stop and or delay us from switching to hydrogen power, which is in my opinion stupid and greedy down tsk rant


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Gotta get in on this Hindenburg technology!

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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
The petroleum industry and every other industry that supports the petroleum industry will fight tool and nail to stop and or delay us from switching to hydrogen power, which is in my opinion stupid and greedy down tsk rant


Why would they care?

Right now the vast majority of hydrogen made today, 78%, uses petroleum as the feedstock.

Electrolysis, which many count on as being the savior of this, uses water and electricity. Where's the water going to come from? Where's the electricity going to come from? For it to be "clean" hydrogen you'd need a non-polluting source of electricity. Most think solar and wind, those aren't non-polluters.

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One way we could reduce carbon emissions would be for all humans to STOP breathing. wink grin confused

The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day. (The exact quantity depends on your activity level—a person engaged in vigorous exercise produces up to eight times as much CO2 as his sedentary brethren.) Take this number and multiply by a population of 7 billion people, breathing away for 365.25 days per year, and you get an annual CO2 output of 2.94 billion tons. International carbon dioxide emissions from fossil-fuel combustion for 2008 topped 34.7 billion tons. So the human race breathes out about 8.5 percent as much carbon as we burn.



(Just kidding but somewhat funny I must say, carry on with why it won't work wink )

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Originally Posted by A12
One way we could reduce carbon emissions would be for all humans to STOP breathing. wink grin confused

The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day. (The exact quantity depends on your activity level—a person engaged in vigorous exercise produces up to eight times as much CO2 as his sedentary brethren.) Take this number and multiply by a population of 7 billion people, breathing away for 365.25 days per year, and you get an annual CO2 output of 2.94 billion tons. International carbon dioxide emissions from fossil-fuel combustion for 2008 topped 34.7 billion tons. So the human race breathes out about 8.5 percent as much carbon as we burn.



(Just kidding but somewhat funny I must say, carry on with why it won't work wink )


now we know the real source of global warming, Send this to DC and we'll all be breathing through catalytic converters with oxygen tanks
The typical catalytic converter combines oxygen with carbon monoxide to form non-poisonous carbon dioxide (CO2) reducing the high concentrations in the exhaust manifold (typically 30,000 ppm or more) to low concentrations (typically below 1,000 ppm after the catalytic converter).
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Re: HYDROGEN POWER vs Diesel vs Battery hmmmm interesting [Re: Sniper] #3127987
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
The petroleum industry and every other industry that supports the petroleum industry will fight tool and nail to stop and or delay us from switching to hydrogen power, which is in my opinion stupid and greedy down tsk rant


Why would they care?

Right now the vast majority of hydrogen made today, 78%, uses petroleum as the feedstock.

Electrolysis, which many count on as being the savior of this, uses water and electricity. Where's the water going to come from? Where's the electricity going to come from? For it to be "clean" hydrogen you'd need a non-polluting source of electricity. Most think solar and wind, those aren't non-polluters.



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I used to climb them, they are also good for peeing off of.

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what happens if there is an updraft ? biggrin
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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Gotta get in on this Hindenburg technology!

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After being a PE mining engineer for several years I went back to grad school and got DOE funding to try to create a fuel cell that would use coal, rather than the hydrogen or methane that most existing fuel cell designs use.

However, when beginning a project like this you start by studying the vast science of hydrogen fuel cells.

The kinda weird Englishman Sir Humphrey Davy was the first to split water into hydrogen and oxygen.
Davy followed this up by inventing the hydrogen fuel cell.

Later Davy became a hero to coal miners
by winning a prize to invent a “Flame Safety Light” that greatly reduce methane gas explosions in coal mines (and sewers too).
Davy’s invention used “Quench” the same trick as engine cylinder heads sometimes use, and has been much discussed on Moparts.
Quench was later used to design electrical box ‘gaps’ at lids that prevent explosions from getting out of the box, either into mines, sewers, grain silos, etc.

Then Davy became addicted to “laughing gas” and got downright “mean jealous” of his hired lab assistant Micheal Faraday.

Very high temperatures can be used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen.
The high temp can come from
concentrated sunlight,
hot nuclear reactor cores,
cavitation bubbles collapsing.,
or low intensity light of a pure frequency that triggers “Quantum Physics” electron orbit changes.

We are not there yet, but a “Hydrogen/Oxygen Energy Economy” would be possible with the right future inventions.

The Canadian “Candu” nuclear power plant design needs to electrically split water into hydrogen and oxygen in order to leave behind “Heavy Water.”

I have wondered why hydrogen fuel cells are not used as a next step to generate DC power to feed an AC inverter to supplement the electrical power made by the steam turbines at the Candu plant.

Perhaps in Canada selling the hydrogen and oxygen gas helps the bottom line economics more?

All of our 130 years of spark or diesel engine tech could be used with hydrogen as the fuel.

It should be remembered that plants use low intensity sunlight, liquid water and CO2 gas to create fossil fuels.

The “Stromatolite” life forms that created the oxygen gas in our atmosphere
and “destructive climate change”
more than 3 Billion years ago are still alive in select spots on Earth.

Earth is not the planet that Humans altered.
Earth is the planet that Stromatolites altered.

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Why is Ammonia as a fuel never brought up?

120 octane
$0.85 per gallon
It can be made from air and water.
It's less flammable than gasoline or hydrogen.
It can be stored at higher temperatures or lower pressures than hydrogen.
Emissions would be nitrogen and water vapor.
It can be mixed with gasoline or diesel.
Most newer engines can run on 10% without modification and up to around 80% with few modifications.


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