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return or deadhead #3121868
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hi guys, carburetor guys
carburetor guys let’s talk fuel systems. What are most of you guys running return system or are you dead heading please share car and ETs. Motor etc.

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Re: return or deadhead [Re: RAY1969CARS] #3121869
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Return now. It just works too nice not to.


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Re: return or deadhead [Re: CMcAllister] #3121873
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68 Dart .. 527 hp small block runs 10.90s - Product Engineering pump and filter combo ....return is on the pump returns thru -8 hose back to the cell ..-10 line from pump to regulator in front of car .. have been as fast as 10.40 with this pump set up but with a different motor

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Re: return or deadhead [Re: 11secdart] #3121881
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Single 4bbl on a deadhead. Using a Magnafuel pump with a bypass at the pump. Running 8.9s on pumpgas.

Re: return or deadhead [Re: RAY1969CARS] #3121891
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Quick fuel 427 pump 100 micron filter dead head Pro Stock regulator runs fast enough sometimes whistling


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Re: return or deadhead [Re: rebel] #3121910
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Originally Posted by rebel
Single 4bbl on a deadhead. Using a Magnafuel pump with a bypass at the pump. Running 8.9s on pumpgas.


Similar, but with dual 4 bbl and mine is an Aeromotive 3000 pump with the bypass and filter at the pump. Also street car on pump gas.


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Re: return or deadhead [Re: RAY1969CARS] #3121948
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4 cars in the stable, 3 have deadhead and 1 has a return. The 4th had a deadhead system for years but I switched it to a return style last year. Cars run 10.50-11.70s. The reason I switched the one to a return style is to try and see if it would work better with pump gas. 2 cars we run AV gas and 2 we run a mixture of pump gas/race gas. We've had issues with pump gas boiling in carb on a hot day. Since I switched the one car to a return style I ran straight pump gas last year and didn't have any issues with the pump gas boiling. I will eventually be switching the 2nd car over to a return style at some point so we no longer have to mix fuel.

Re: return or deadhead [Re: DusterKid] #3121956
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Return. I can’t think of a reason to not use a return line, but Shilo says his is a dead head system and his stuff runs…well…FREAKING HARD.


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Re: return or deadhead [Re: madscientist] #3121964
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MagnaFuel 500 2 x -10 pick up with -8 return at the pump. -12 to the reg (Aeromotive) and -8 to the 2 x 4 Dominators. Overkill for the fuel system but I was chasing a fueling issue (top end lean out) at the time and upsized all the fuel lines. The fueling system turned out not to be the issue but according to the data it helped shruggy


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Re: return or deadhead [Re: RAY1969CARS] #3121965
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For several years I ran a simple deadhead system on my cuda using the little Aeromotive street rod 11203 pump and a -8 feed line. Ran 9.50s at 140+ mph at 3800 lbs. pump gas and all motor.

I upgraded to the Aeromotive A1000 pump using a -10 feed and -8 return. It ran no faster, but I didn't expect it to. I went w/ the return system to help vapor lock issues on the street...and it helped greatly. up
Still using the same system feeding both the motor and the nitrous system well into the 8 sec range.

Using a stock tank w/ a welded on sump. Two -10 feed lines Y'd at the pre-pump filter inlet. The return is plumbed into the stock pickup tube.

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Re: return or deadhead [Re: an8sec70cuda] #3121975
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
For several years I ran a simple deadhead system on my cuda using the little Aeromotive street rod 11203 pump and a -8 feed line. Ran 9.50s at 140+ mph at 3800 lbs. pump gas and all motor.

I upgraded to the Aeromotive A1000 pump using a -10 feed and -8 return. It ran no faster, but I didn't expect it to. I went w/ the return system to help vapor lock issues on the street...and it helped greatly. up
Still using the same system feeding both the motor and the nitrous system well into the 8 sec range.

Using a stock tank w/ a welded on sump. Two -10 feed lines Y'd at the pre-pump filter inlet. The return is plumbed into the stock pickup tube.


how long would it take for it to vapor lock?

Re: return or deadhead [Re: RAY1969CARS] #3121980
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Mine is proably overkill. Feed is -12 to a Performance Engineering pump. Return to the tank is -8. From the pump a -10 feed line to a (hated by many) Barry Grant 4 port regulator. Four -6 to the carbs. Pump provides 30psi to the front. Regulated down to 5psi. 8.98@150mph, 3340lbs
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Re: return or deadhead [Re: RAY1969CARS] #3121982
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Originally Posted by RAY1969CARS
Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
For several years I ran a simple deadhead system on my cuda using the little Aeromotive street rod 11203 pump and a -8 feed line. Ran 9.50s at 140+ mph at 3800 lbs. pump gas and all motor.

I upgraded to the Aeromotive A1000 pump using a -10 feed and -8 return. It ran no faster, but I didn't expect it to. I went w/ the return system to help vapor lock issues on the street...and it helped greatly. up
Still using the same system feeding both the motor and the nitrous system well into the 8 sec range.

Using a stock tank w/ a welded on sump. Two -10 feed lines Y'd at the pre-pump filter inlet. The return is plumbed into the stock pickup tube.


how long would it take for it to vapor lock?

When you shut the car off after it was hot and then try to restart it. If I got caught in stop and go traffic during the hot summer months it would start doing it also.


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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: return or deadhead [Re: an8sec70cuda] #3122002
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Aeromotive pump, with two Aeromotive filters and Aeromotive regulator that is deadheaded. I have a separate Aeromotive regulator designed for a return, but just haven’t felt the need to change it as of yet. 500 stroker with a single carburetor puts out 615hp on the dyno.

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Re: return or deadhead [Re: BloFish] #3122004
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I have a 69 dart with a stock fuel tank, a blue pump, going to a regulator, and I noticed a hammering type sound at the regulator and my AFR gauge would go lean

to give you a more complete picture of the fuel system, which is being switched out today however, I just don’t want to do all this at the same thing occur

It’s a 3/8 sending unit going into the pump, going into a half inch aluminum line that goes to my regulator

The new system I’m putting in is a fuel cell with a -8 line going to the pump going to the 1/2 line. plastic tank

and of course, I’m trying to rethink it and thinking about a return line

however, I know I deadhead system as work for years for most people

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Re: return or deadhead [Re: RAY1969CARS] #3122006
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I was also going to suspend this tank over my spare tire in the trunk. I have a question I was going to use 1 inch angle iron, if not larger on the ends and flat stock in the center to hold the straps what would you think would be the best aluminum or steel??? also will one or the other past tech?

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I guess right now I’m not 100% sure if it’s vapor lock or cavitation

Sidenote, this happens when my fuel tank is full

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Dead head stuff here on all of the cars. Weldon pumps with bypass to cell from pump set between 27-32 depending on car. All regulated down to 4.8-5lbs at carb. All 4 port Weldon regulators for single carbs. No issues ever with this setup. Been .99x-1.0 60's with this set up. Same stuff we run in the Vette. If its good enough for aerospace industry and Nasa it is good enough for a racecar.


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Originally Posted by RAY1969CARS
I guess right now I’m not 100% sure if it’s vapor lock or cavitation

Sidenote, this happens when my fuel tank is full


How big is your vent?


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Re: return or deadhead [Re: Al_Alguire] #3122047
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Stock vent on the tank it is small the size of a vacuum hose


Great point though I’m a pipefitter so you think I would probably think about that
I know how important venr line is

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