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I emailed (Holley) Tech Support yesterday with specific questions about some of the other headers they offer for 82-92 Camaros and Firebirds, current products and the possibility of anything new in the future, and this was the reply I received today:

"Unfortunately, we do not carry any headers for 3rd gen Camaro any longer. Due to new rules by the EPA, we had to discontinue any of our headers for the 3rd gen Camaro until further notice."

Sure enough, none of the header part numbers come up at Holley at this time. LS swap or Gen 1 versions included.

So, has this situation popped up on other platforms or manufacturers?'

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How can they do that when the cars are over 25 years old?

How does the 25 year mark come into play?

It sounds like they're aligning with CARB for now, anything pre-1975 is exempt from smog checks and inspections.

For us here in commy NY, it means we no longer have to have the smog gear on the vehicle.

Last year Colorado came out with the no louder then OEM law..... Cat back kits are a $500 ticket as I found out for a very mellow one on my parts runner and its a 2015.

I have a tuned ecm/pcm on a newer mopar and a peddle commander and was told they are illegal as well. They didnt see my stealth cold air intake or im sure it would of been brought up.

It seems some states are shooting for if its not all oem its wrong. Cant even add fog lights or like things.

I have one 76 and im wondering if I should buy the 3 inch in/out magnaflow cats and put them on preemptively even though im in a no smog county.

But I am on the state line and have a farm in KS so I may just swap up homes and plate all in KS.

Things are getting really stupid and only going to get worse. If people do not think our old rigs will not be taxed and regulated or even outlawed they might think again.

my daily is a 82 cordoba that i wanted a simple dual exhaust 4 shops said no , and i am like its a : 1982 car why dose it matter

Yeah, I have no idea if any shops will actually allow you to change out the OEM crap on a mid 90's vehicle...But according to state law, its not prohibited if its 25 years or older.

I have always owned vintage stuff and never had to deal with that rule, but the insurance companies here have gone full commy as well. Especially Haggerty after they sent me a policy and then renigged on the deal and upped my premium after I had sent in the initial payment. And it did allow for racing it without coverage at said event.

Randy K <dragula426@gmail.com>
Fri, May 6, 2022, 3:40 PM
to ANNE

No deal...

On Fri, May 6, 2022, 3:20 PM PAQUIN, ANNE <ANNEPAQUIN@allstate.com> wrote:
Randy:

So, after underwriting reviewed the pics you sent, they reached out. They feel that this is a race worthy vehicle due to several features. They feel that you could race it and not just have it as a Street Car like the conversation you had with them initially. Removing the 2 other vehicles, flagged this one for seeing how it was set up.

If you want to continue with the policy, the premium did go up to $1708 AND the attached letter would have to be signed and sent back.

Please READ carefully the letter. ( no racing !!!! )

The new down payment schedule is attached. The new pay plan @ 4 payments would be $479.50 to get it started.

Let me know if you want to do this and get coverage in place with the signed form and the new down payment.

I do NOT have any say or control in any of this. Hagerty underwriting has final say and we don't know until it gets submitted for purchasing a policy.

Ouch. My 1973 Cuda is insured by Hagerty, and my premium is $233/yr. But this is a street car...

Beautiful car 440Jim

Because they also fit cars that are new enough to fall under the control of EPA.

Everyone is going to have to modify a car into kit car status, get their own special VIN and declare themselves the OEM.

Well the law has ALWAYS been the law that no modification to any emissions equipment was allowed. It's not new they are just now choosing to enforce it vigourously. It all started with so many TV shows, yes TV shows showing modifications that were illegal. Some DC bureaucrat saw or caught wind and it has been downhill ever since. They have been going after the manufacturers and sellers since, about 18 months or so vigourously. Some states that will include 67 and up vehicles like here in NV and AZ. They are coming after your cars and they are starting at the source. And the laws are on their side federally. Write your representatives, support SEMA about all a guy can do.

I recently went through this trying to find a set of Hooker headers for my 1990 chevy silverado. All the part numbers for that particular year don't come up any more.
The guy on the phone at Holley (who owns Hooker) was great. He said it's all due to the new EPA rules and government crackdowns on this mess.

Looks like their small and big block Mopar Comp headers that cross over from musclecar era into the smog era have had the catalog listings roughly edited to (almost) appear
they won't work on anything post 74.

As someone familiar with cataloging, that was probably the best way to handle it, but personally I would have cleaned it up just a little further than
that in the interest of preserving the product line from future scrutiny.

This won't end at just exhaust. I would expect this to migrate into access to aftermarket camshafts, bigger fuel injectors, tune programs, etc for all the newer cars and diesels so they become hard or impossible to buy.

clearly a CYA move.
as a fabricator for close to 50 years or so, anything can be made to fit/work given enough thought and effort.
in a way, i'm kind'a glad i'm on the downhill side of "having fun". going forward doesn't look very promising, except for "virtual experience" head sets..........

1974 was the year we started using catalytic converters. It has been the law ever since that happened that you could not modify the engine to affect emissions. And the issue is when you break the law who enforces the law? In my state Missouri the emission laws are checked by the vehicle inspectors when you buy your license. I was a former inspector, and we were just to do a visual inspection. If modifications were visible, then we were to flunk the car and they could not get their license. St. Louis and Kansas City areas had stiffer inspections where you had to pass a tail pipe test and then after 1996 OBD II you have to plug into your diagnostic connector and the inspection station checks for codes and a functioning system. Enforcement on older cars was pretty lax just because the inspectors did not want to mess with it much. I will give you one example I had a student who owned a S-10 he put a V-8 in it. He got pulled over by a state patrol and that patrolman was smart enough to know they never put a V-8 in an S-10, he impounded the car for emission violations. It is not that people have been breaking the law it is that nobody has spent the time and money to enforce the law. I never asked if the inspection station who passed the S-10 was ever penalized.

The creep of over reach can be found at your local traffic light. In addition to the red light camera, there are now sound sniffers that can tag you for a loud exhaust. How you vote at even the local level affects everything.

I'm sure you can get all the headers you want from the Chinese.... just giving them more business Typical EPA, even if the mod makes the engine run cleaner and or better (with better mileage too) they won't allow it. Last I looked, it says CONGRESS shall pass no law.... not the EPA!