EPA and all post '75 vehicles
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02/08/23 10:24 AM
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DaveRS23
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' Quote: I emailed (Holley) Tech Support yesterday with specific questions about some of the other headers they offer for 82-92 Camaros and Firebirds, current products and the possibility of anything new in the future, and this was the reply I received today:
"Unfortunately, we do not carry any headers for 3rd gen Camaro any longer. Due to new rules by the EPA, we had to discontinue any of our headers for the 3rd gen Camaro until further notice."
Sure enough, none of the header part numbers come up at Holley at this time. LS swap or Gen 1 versions included.
So, has this situation popped up on other platforms or manufacturers?'www.speed-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=66323&sid=718364d5879cad2a9146ae34cde68eaa
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Re: EPA and all post '75 vehicles
[Re: Mr PotatoHead]
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02/08/23 12:49 PM
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It sounds like they're aligning with CARB for now, anything pre-1975 is exempt from smog checks and inspections.
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Re: EPA and all post '75 vehicles
[Re: Dragula]
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02/08/23 01:15 PM
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Mr PotatoHead
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Last year Colorado came out with the no louder then OEM law..... Cat back kits are a $500 ticket as I found out for a very mellow one on my parts runner and its a 2015.
I have a tuned ecm/pcm on a newer mopar and a peddle commander and was told they are illegal as well. They didnt see my stealth cold air intake or im sure it would of been brought up.
It seems some states are shooting for if its not all oem its wrong. Cant even add fog lights or like things.
I have one 76 and im wondering if I should buy the 3 inch in/out magnaflow cats and put them on preemptively even though im in a no smog county.
But I am on the state line and have a farm in KS so I may just swap up homes and plate all in KS.
Things are getting really stupid and only going to get worse. If people do not think our old rigs will not be taxed and regulated or even outlawed they might think again.
STOP POTATO HATE!
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Re: EPA and all post '75 vehicles
[Re: theraif]
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02/08/23 01:51 PM
02/08/23 01:51 PM
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Dragula
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Yeah, I have no idea if any shops will actually allow you to change out the OEM crap on a mid 90's vehicle...But according to state law, its not prohibited if its 25 years or older.
I have always owned vintage stuff and never had to deal with that rule, but the insurance companies here have gone full commy as well. Especially Haggerty after they sent me a policy and then renigged on the deal and upped my premium after I had sent in the initial payment. And it did allow for racing it without coverage at said event.
Randy K <dragula426@gmail.com> Fri, May 6, 2022, 3:40 PM to ANNE
No deal...
On Fri, May 6, 2022, 3:20 PM PAQUIN, ANNE <ANNEPAQUIN@allstate.com> wrote: Randy:
So, after underwriting reviewed the pics you sent, they reached out. They feel that this is a race worthy vehicle due to several features. They feel that you could race it and not just have it as a Street Car like the conversation you had with them initially. Removing the 2 other vehicles, flagged this one for seeing how it was set up.
If you want to continue with the policy, the premium did go up to $1708 AND the attached letter would have to be signed and sent back.
Please READ carefully the letter. ( no racing !!!! )
The new down payment schedule is attached. The new pay plan @ 4 payments would be $479.50 to get it started.
Let me know if you want to do this and get coverage in place with the signed form and the new down payment.
I do NOT have any say or control in any of this. Hagerty underwriting has final say and we don't know until it gets submitted for purchasing a policy.
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Re: EPA and all post '75 vehicles
[Re: Dragula]
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02/08/23 02:38 PM
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I have always owned vintage stuff and never had to deal with that rule, but the insurance companies here have gone full commy as well. Especially Haggerty after they sent me a policy and then renigged on the deal and upped my premium after I had sent in the initial payment. And it did allow for racing it without coverage at said event.
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If you want to continue with the policy, the premium did go up to $1708 AND the attached letter would have to be signed and sent back. Ouch. My 1973 Cuda is insured by Hagerty, and my premium is $233/yr. But this is a street car...
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Re: EPA and all post '75 vehicles
[Re: Mr PotatoHead]
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02/08/23 07:35 PM
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How does the 25 year mark come into play? Because they also fit cars that are new enough to fall under the control of EPA.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: EPA and all post '75 vehicles
[Re: Uberpube]
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02/09/23 11:50 AM
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Well the law has ALWAYS been the law that no modification to any emissions equipment was allowed. It's not new they are just now choosing to enforce it vigourously. It all started with so many TV shows, yes TV shows showing modifications that were illegal. Some DC bureaucrat saw or caught wind and it has been downhill ever since. They have been going after the manufacturers and sellers since, about 18 months or so vigourously. Some states that will include 67 and up vehicles like here in NV and AZ. They are coming after your cars and they are starting at the source. And the laws are on their side federally. Write your representatives, support SEMA about all a guy can do.
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Re: EPA and all post '75 vehicles
[Re: DaveRS23]
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02/09/23 01:27 PM
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I recently went through this trying to find a set of Hooker headers for my 1990 chevy silverado. All the part numbers for that particular year don't come up any more. The guy on the phone at Holley (who owns Hooker) was great. He said it's all due to the new EPA rules and government crackdowns on this mess.
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Re: EPA and all post '75 vehicles
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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02/09/23 01:58 PM
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Looks like their small and big block Mopar Comp headers that cross over from musclecar era into the smog era have had the catalog listings roughly edited to (almost) appear they won't work on anything post 74.
As someone familiar with cataloging, that was probably the best way to handle it, but personally I would have cleaned it up just a little further than that in the interest of preserving the product line from future scrutiny.
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Re: EPA and all post '75 vehicles
[Re: ZIPPY]
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02/09/23 03:59 PM
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clearly a CYA move. as a fabricator for close to 50 years or so, anything can be made to fit/work given enough thought and effort. in a way, i'm kind'a glad i'm on the downhill side of "having fun". going forward doesn't look very promising, except for "virtual experience" head sets..........
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