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Re: '65 Dart build thread
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Awesome car, who makes a reasonably priced mopar to 4l80e bellhousing? Thank you. I think ATI has an adapter for the bellhousing, but all I need is the adapter/spacer for the crank and the correct flexplate. My BMP block has a dual bellhousing pattern (GM/Chrysler) so the 4L80E will bolt right up. All I have to do is get lucky and find one at Pick n Pull or Craigslist. Mike
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Re: '65 Dart build thread
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01/31/23 07:32 PM
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[quote=gregsdart][quote=Jeremiah][quote=Mike@440Source]I I am planning on a dyno session, but it will be a while before this thing is put together. Meanwhile, I'll attempt to make some progress on the car itself. The cam is listed on Lunati's website with a power range of 3000-7200 based on a 440. I think Greg is pretty close on the performance in the bigger engine. Something that is fun from 2500-6500ish is what I'm after. This profile was picked because I didn't want to run more than .600" lift, and I felt the duration was about where it needed to be for how it would be used 90% of the time. That the lobe design was spec'd by UDHarold is a bonus. https://www.lunatipower.com/voodoo-solid-flat-tappet-cam-chrysler-361-440-288-296.html Mike Mopar wedge heads like to flow more CFMs the wider and higher the valve is open, lift is your friend    Maybe think about changing that cam for one that has more lift and duration at .100,.200 as well as more lift at max lift than this one has
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Re: '65 Dart build thread
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02/01/23 10:21 AM
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I know there are at least a few current and former Chevy guys in here who are familiar with the ZL1 427 that was available in the '69 Camaro as a Central Office Production Order (COPO).
If Mopar were to build something similar, what do you guys think it would look like?
Indy and Trick Flow heads might look out of place, even if I were to have the ends milled to get rid of the logo. Edelbrocks look closer to the MP head, but they'd have to be ported, adding to the cost.
After a lot of consideration given to what the car was supposed to be in the first place and a few non-negotiables, this is what I'm starting with:
BMP block, 4.500" x 4.250" (540)
Lunati solid FT; 259 / 267 @.050", .586 /.606; 110LC; in @106*
EDM lifters
A set of really cool valve covers
440 Source "Super Stock" aluminum alternator brackets
Hughes stainless valley tray
CNC Stealth heads, opened to MW. >> If I want/need more power later, this is an easy change.
Mod Man w dual 750's (I have the CID to make it work)
More money in polished stainless fasteners than I care to admit. It's not a race car. It's a street ca
r, and I like bling.
Nope...lol not a racer car. I have a few of those too.  I also have a set of those bitchin blue anodized DC valve covers. My contention with placing them into service is the lack of a baffle. I had considered many different methods of attaching a baffle and more or less settled on JB Weld. I am curious what your thoughts are there. Also, will you being running this thing on a dyno? It will be interesting to see where it peaks hp/tq wise. With that tiny cam I assume it will peak well below 5500rpm @540" ? I am betting on peak torque around 4800, hp about 6400. It will sound knarly, but pull like a frieght train! I am planning on a dyno session, but it will be a while before this thing is put together. Meanwhile, I'll attempt to make some progress on the car itself. The cam is listed on Lunati's website with a power range of 3000-7200 based on a 440. I think Greg is pretty close on the performance in the bigger engine. Something that is fun from 2500-6500ish is what I'm after. This profile was picked because I didn't want to run more than .600" lift, and I felt the duration was about where it needed to be for how it would be used 90% of the time. That the lobe design was spec'd by UDHarold is a bonus. https://www.lunatipower.com/voodoo-solid-flat-tappet-cam-chrysler-361-440-288-296.htmlMike I will bet you a dollar it peaks below 6000. Why are we staying under .600 lift? Not bashing just curious : D Will you be using the PRW PqX roller rockers?
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Re: '65 Dart build thread
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02/02/23 10:41 AM
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One thing is for sure. You won't need a loose converter for that 540. Something very similar to a stock hemi/383/340 torque converter, but built to take the torque, will flash well over 3000 and drive like a stocker, making it a very fun, responsive hotrod!
I used a stock hemi converter(while it lasted!) behind a 535 with ported 906 heads back in 1981. If i recall correctly, it stalled about 3400 or more.
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Re: '65 Dart build thread
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02/03/23 01:46 AM
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Awesome progress! I'm building a a similar big block '66, so I'll be watching this closely. Question - what made you go with 1/2" aluminum fuel line over say, -10 ptfe? I just prefer to run hard line wherever I can. Hose will eventually deteriorate, so I don't want to run that for the whole length of the car, unless it's a race-only deal. I’m using billet clamps to attach it to the sub rails. Mike
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Re: '65 Dart build thread
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Good morning Bob, No offense taken  10 microns on this one. It will flow fine for a carb'd application; I'll go bigger on the size if I decide to convert to EFI later. Mike
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Re: '65 Dart build thread
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from the tank, isn't it 100 micron size ? also, what size is the factory sock in the tank on the pickup meant to filter ? i'm not sure i have ever heard the micron size that filter was. 
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Re: '65 Dart build thread
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RE: PRW PqX roller rockers
Did you mean the stainless steel version or the billet aluminum?
I'm leaning toward stainless steel. either Comp 1621's or the PRW's; I did have the opportunity to
check out the PRW's closely (nitpicking), a couple of days ago and I don't see anything wrong with the way the rockers are machined for the screws,
compared to previous feedback on other forums. If there was a quality control issue previously, it must have been fixed.
Roller tips weren't sloppy loose, bushings looked good, etc. I'd use the Stanke Motorsports shafts with the banana grooves for better oiling,
but that's a personal preference. I haven't seen a failure; only what I've read.
Mike I like the steel rockers with bushings. You will be okay with the PRWs with the flat tappet spring pressures. I think they are rated to 600psi? If you were to go roller or hydraulic roller in the future perhaps the Comps would be better for 550psi+ valve springs. I like the coating comp uses on thier rocker shafts also. My only complaint on both rocker systems is the lack of threaded rocker shafts. Using a NPT plug in the end of the rocker shaft is a really nice feature. We used lash caps to correct the geometry on my Stealth heads and Comp steel rockers because cam is a .660ish solid (street) roller. It is about 230/560psi closed/open. I like the steel rockers in general because they fit under the old school valve covers.
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Re: '65 Dart build thread
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RE: PRW PqX roller rockers
Did you mean the stainless steel version or the billet aluminum?
I'm leaning toward stainless steel. either Comp 1621's or the PRW's; I did have the opportunity to
check out the PRW's closely (nitpicking), a couple of days ago and I don't see anything wrong with the way the rockers are machined for the screws,
compared to previous feedback on other forums. If there was a quality control issue previously, it must have been fixed.
Roller tips weren't sloppy loose, bushings looked good, etc. I'd use the Stanke Motorsports shafts with the banana grooves for better oiling,
but that's a personal preference. I haven't seen a failure; only what I've read.
Mike I like the steel rockers with bushings. You will be okay with the PRWs with the flat tappet spring pressures. I think they are rated to 600psi? If you were to go roller or hydraulic roller in the future perhaps the Comps would be better for 550psi+ valve springs. I like the coating comp uses on thier rocker shafts also. My only complaint on both rocker systems is the lack of threaded rocker shafts. Using a NPT plug in the end of the rocker shaft is a really nice feature. We used lash caps to correct the geometry on my Stealth heads and Comp steel rockers because cam is a .660ish solid (street) roller. It is about 230/560psi closed/open. I like the steel rockers in general because they fit under the old school valve covers. Jeremiah, have you seen these? I got to check out these shafts last year at Indy. The plugs are o-ringed and held in by the end bolts. https://stankemotorsports.com/Products.cfm?pn=440RS&pID=55
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Re: '65 Dart build thread
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Contact Rocker Arm Speciality 530-242-1306 and see if they still offer those. They have been sold several times and may not be in business anymore and or changed their name, They were in northern California near Redding the last time I dealt with them
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Re: '65 Dart build thread
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02/07/23 06:20 PM
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Contact Rocker Arm Speciality 530-242-1306 and see if they still offer those. They have been sold several times and may not be in business anymore and or changed their name, They were in northern California near Redding the last time I dealt with them Now called Rocker Arms Unlimited (530) 242-1316 rockerarms.com Mike
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