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Re: Markup on parts
[Re: 6PKRTSE]
#3118654
02/03/23 04:18 PM
02/03/23 04:18 PM
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Fulton County, PA
CMcAllister
Mr. Helpful
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Mr. Helpful
Joined: Dec 2005
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Fulton County, PA
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I have been a WD or better almost 30 years. I purchase several hundreds of thousands of dollars of race parts a year. It is amazing the cost savings we get off of retail or list pricing on so many parts. That volume matters. Imagine the deals he gets and the leverage Paul Sergi has. I've heard of how negotiations with that group go when someone is trying to get in the door there. Some little 1 or 2 man race shop is lucky if they can make 10% on any of this stuff. Not without investing some money. WD. jobber, racer, net and the rest of it are out the window.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Markup on parts
[Re: Cab_Burge]
#3118834
02/04/23 12:21 PM
02/04/23 12:21 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,100
Byron, NY
W.I.N. Racing
top fuel
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top fuel
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Byron, NY
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There are different levels of precision within the same part number of bearings. Which impacts the price outside of ' markup' and even brand. ' Some applications demand a high level of precision that cannot be achieved with standard tapered roller bearings. This includes many machining, printing press and rolling mill applications where combinations of tight tolerances, high speeds and radial and thrust loads are present. For more than 50 years, The Timken Company has offered a wide array of precision-class tapered roller bearings that deliver superior accuracy and control in critical applications.
Different Levels of Precision Meet Critical Needs
The more demanding the precision objective, the more accurate the bearing must be. Timken provides four precision classes, in both metric
and inch systems, that cover the full range of precision application requirements. In ascending order of accuracy, they are identified in the metric system as Class C, B, A and AA, while in the inch system as Class 3, 0, 00 and 000. The chart below summarizes the accuracy of Timken precision bearings as compared to standard bearings. All Timken precision bearings have an electrolyte acid dot etched on both
faces of each cone and cup. This dot indicates the high point of the cone and cup run-out, respectively, and is used when mounting to obtain the best performance' www.timken.com/resources/precision-tapered-roller-bearings-brochure' The Annular Bearing Engineering Committee (ABEC) created a rating system that has become the industry standard for ball and roller bearing tolerances. ABEC includes five tolerances classes: 1, 3, 5, 7, and 9 with 1 being the widest and 9 the tightest. Thus, bearings with a higher ABEC rating have tighter tolerances, and that means better precision, higher efficiency, and the potential to accommodate applications requiring high speeds.
It is important to note that a bearing in a higher ABEC class does not imply that the bearing can carry a higher load, rather it can carry the same load as an analogous bearing with a lower rating but at higher speed, thanks to its more controlled runout and smaller endplay. ISO has an equivalent standard (ISO 492) for bearing tolerances that corresponds to the ABEC ratings as follows: normal class 6x (tightest), 6, 5, 4, and 2.
The ABEC tolerance classifications specify both tolerances of size and form for the individual inner and outer rings. The critical features of the rings include the bore (or inner diameter of the inner ring), the outer diameter of the outer ring, the ring widths, and the raceways of each ring. Tolerances of form include roundness, taper, runout, and parallelism.' https://blog.emersonbearing.com/blo...wisely-how-fast-your-bearings-need-to-go I saw this on my airplane wheel bearings that had to have a bearing part # with a G suffix on it to be FAA legal, 4 times more money than the standard automotive wheel bearings  I used to deal with precision tapered roller bearing that were $7500/00 each they were a 12" bore ceramic roller. 000 bearing. Would routinely see run outs of the assembly (after the async. was ground out) of .000004"Radial with a 13000000lbs stiffness .... Just thought I'd share.
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Re: Markup on parts
[Re: W.I.N. Racing]
#3118861
02/04/23 02:06 PM
02/04/23 02:06 PM
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Benton, IL.
DaveRS23
Special needs idiot
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Special needs idiot
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Benton, IL.
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". 000004"Radial with a 13000000lbs stiffness"  Holy Cannoli!
Master, again and still
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Re: Markup on parts
[Re: DaveRS23]
#3119124
02/05/23 04:05 PM
02/05/23 04:05 PM
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north of coder
moparx
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"Butt Crack Bob"
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north of coder
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". 000004"Radial with a 13000000lbs stiffness" Holy Cannoli! and WOW to boot !  
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Re: Markup on parts
[Re: cudaman1969]
#3120689
02/11/23 02:00 PM
02/11/23 02:00 PM
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Posts: 4,205
New York
polyspheric
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master
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New York
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When I was in the motorcycle parts business, a trade magazine published a report on overhead etc. vs. sale price. You must mark up your total cost (wholesale price + shipping) by 28% just to break even. Any discount larger than 22% from full retail price means you lose money on the sale. My current products have a production cost of $ 4.86 (or less) including delivery to me, and sell for $19.95 (or less), so I can be generous and offer volume discounts. Obviously, the net cost does not include many thousands of hours spent researching & writing these articles. http://www.victorylibrary.com/books1.htm
Boffin Emeritus
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Re: Markup on parts
[Re: GY3]
#3120727
02/11/23 05:25 PM
02/11/23 05:25 PM
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Posts: 687
Southern Alberta
Uberpube
mopar
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mopar
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 687
Southern Alberta
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You guys think the automotive markup is bad, try the HVAC industry.
The manufacturer sells it to the distributor who marks it up (won't say how much because I'm a distributor) who then sells it to the contractor who often has a markup of 1.7 to 2 times what they purchased it for. Most of the difference for the HVAC industry, is having to cover the manufactures defects with labour out of your own pocket. When a new part goes bad, we mostly end up eating the labor to change defective parts. Up here it's x2 for stuff 100.00 and cheaper, 1.65 for 100-500, 1.5 for 500 plus. Sometimes the manufacturer won't even warranty their own stuff, especially electronic parts.
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