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440 fuel separator question. #3117549
01/29/23 05:22 PM
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I am putting a 440 six pack engine in my 70 challenger. I know they had a fuel separator when they were new. I now have a 1/2 fuel line from the tank to the fuel pump. If I don't run the separator am I going to have fuel problems on a hot day? This is a mild build street car. Looking for people that have run without it. Thanks Guys.


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Re: 440 fuel separator question. [Re: stickman] #3117587
01/29/23 08:59 PM
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I’m not sure but I think the the fuel separator was to regulate the high pressure pumps more than anything. I’ve run a 340 six pack for years with no return line and never had a problem.

Re: 440 fuel separator question. [Re: fastmark] #3117602
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I ran a six-barrel set-up on my 57 Plymouth for 30 plus years without that fuel separator. I used a 3/8" line from the tank and everything was fine.

Re: 440 fuel separator question. [Re: stickman] #3117607
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My old pump gas Duster (725+ HP) and my 1969 Dart GTS 383 car both have 1/2 gas lines from the tank to the HP Carter mechanical fuel pumps that never had a issue, the Dart was driven on the street and raced in the Mojave Desert Victor Valley in SO CA for years year around with no issues. I added a 3/8 pickup to the stock tank pickup along with using the stock 5/16 fed into a T hooked up to the 1/2 inch line. up
The Duster ran a bunch of 10.00 through the 3.0 inch exhaust and muffs with the air cleaner on, that motor was a 517 C.I. pump gas stroker with a single 1050 CFM Dominator. The Dart was a stock stroke stock bore 440 with ported 906 heads and a single Holley 950 CFM carb. Best ET was 11.17 at 122.+ MPH on a set of 28.5x10.5 slicks in Las Vegas at a race in November


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Re: 440 fuel separator question. [Re: 57Fury440] #3117609
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the hipo 440's and street hemi's did use higher pressure pumps and the return on a separator does regulate that, but it also eliminates vapor lock plus filtering. to have a return to relieve fuel vapors more fuel pressure at the pump was needed to maintain adequate pressure at the carb for the 440 and hemi performance engines. 383's had a 3-5lb pump and didn't use a separator and were very prone to vapor lock; just plain lousy pumps. i think to not have some sort of control on todays alcohol gas, which flashes faster than the old gas, could be troublesome.

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66-67 hemi used the same fuel pump and pressure and they did not have a vapor separator or return line. So the choice of using a vapor separator is purely based on whether you think your set up will vapor lock. Having lower rated fuel pressure pump in a 383 motor would be MORE susceptible to vapor forming in the fuel pump and lines and they don't use one. Even on the HP motor.

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i think the mopar vapor separator is a fairly ingenious part. it filtered and eliminated the vapors, but it's at it's best when matched to the proper fuel pump. the 3-5lb big block pumps were miserable pieces. i remember fighting the vapor lock problem with a 383. it seemed the problem really raised it's ugly head at the track when folks were idling in the staging lanes. i did all kinds of silly things to cure the problem. eventually (sometime in 1968) i switched to a street hemi pump and never noticed any more vapor lock problems (i didn't do a return/vapor separator). but, the high pressure street hemi pump by itself set me up for other problems. all this works the best when parts are matched together..

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Originally Posted by lewtot184
i think the mopar vapor separator is a fairly ingenious part. it filtered and eliminated the vapors, but it's at it's best when matched to the proper fuel pump. the 3-5lb big block pumps were miserable pieces. i remember fighting the vapor lock problem with a 383. it seemed the problem really raised it's ugly head at the track when folks were idling in the staging lanes. i did all kinds of silly things to cure the problem. eventually (sometime in 1968) i switched to a street hemi pump and never noticed any more vapor lock problems (i didn't do a return/vapor separator). but, the high pressure street hemi pump by itself set me up for other problems. all this works the best when parts are matched together..


I fully agree. Most folks don't realize the early MOPAR AFB floats where larger, which means they had a greater buoyance force to keep the needle closed also. That is why they can handle a higher fuel pressure. The AVS used 3 different size floats and had different float setting to account for it. The later Federal/Edelbrock use a smaller float with less bouncy force hence the 5-6 psi limit on Edlebrock.

For a mechanical pump that is a constant displacement, you get faster fuel flow with a higher-pressure pump spring, which also helps keep the fuel in a liquid state in the lines. As long as the float system can handle it, and level set correctly your better off with it.

Re: 440 fuel separator question. [Re: dragon slayer] #3117740
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Blocking the heat crossover is a huge help as is running an electric pump out back. Reason being the line from the pump to the tank is under a negative pressure and more prone to V/L. Stay away from Ethanol based fuels if possible. And as stated a higher pressure mechanical will help and the holley's can take ~ 7 psi on the safe side. try to keep the lines away from heat sources. phenolic spacers under the carbs can help as well twocents beer

Re: 440 fuel separator question. [Re: TJP] #3119578
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Good reading. I'm in the same position as the OP.







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