Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body
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If my memory serves me correctly on the two I have installed, they both took special mods. These were stage V valve covers but they are probably the same. We used the stock k frame on both of these cars. One had Arruzza mounts. It was a 68 charger. All we had to do to it was put a 1/4” steel plate spacer between the rubber and the steel mount. It cleared. The e body had Schumacher mounts and the first one did not come close. He called Schumacher and they had a special mount to raise the right side. It still may have taken a spacer, I’m not sure. I’ve got a picture on my phone I’ll try and post. The 65 SS cars had a right side shock tower that was modified and recessed right at the point wher the shock bolts to the tower. The valve covers cleared, you just could not pull them off for the tech inspector at the track. I know you said you have a hemi k frame but my point is you will have to space the right side higher in order for it to fit. This picture is after the mod. I don’t have a picture of the valve cover but it was about the same. For the spacer, did you put it between the rubber mount and engine or the rubber mount and the k member.
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(JA5) Silver Frost Metallic
1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body
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Yes, I installed one of the adjustable pcv valves. It did seem to help a little bit, but it still leaks. Another issue is that the engine is only making about 4" to 5" of vacuum at idle, so I'm not getting the full benefit of the pcv valve drawing out any extra crankcase pressure
1973 Cuda 528 all aluminum Hemi, 4 speed, 3.23 Sure-Grip,
(JA5) Silver Frost Metallic
1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body
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01/25/23 06:52 PM
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as you have experience with the adjustable PVC valve, what kind of difference did it make ? i know each combination is/will be different, i'm just curious as to how that affected your combination as it is now. a vacuum pump may be in your future. you might try an electric GM pump first, as they are relatively [?] cheap compared to other brands, and you may be able to grab a used one from a yard near you if possible, to see what a pump will do with your combination. thank you for keeping us informed of your progress.
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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body
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01/25/23 08:27 PM
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It seemed to have less blowby and the leak wasn't as bad. Gene, the guy who makes the valve, suggested I run the valve at full flow to give me the most ventilation possible due to the size of the engine. I have considered a vacuum pump, but I viewed it as a band aid to the problem. It shouldn't be leaking at all.
1973 Cuda 528 all aluminum Hemi, 4 speed, 3.23 Sure-Grip,
(JA5) Silver Frost Metallic
1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body
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01/25/23 10:15 PM
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What kind of issues are you having with the engine? The engine only has 150 street miles on it, zero track time or full throttle blasts and absolutely no beating on the car, and it has already had 6 different rear mail seals installed in it, 4 by me and 2 by Ray himself, 2 different real main seal retainers, and it just pours oil to the point it can't even be driven. Tons of blowby coming out of the breathers , 2 different sets of piston rings installed in it, same issues and this was all at my expense on a brand new engine. I told them I still have the same issues after pulling out the engine 3 different times and going back and forth all the way to their shop just to basically be told tough luck. If you would like to know more about it, I can PM you details. I don't want it to look like a post about me bashing someone or a company. WOW, that's surprising to me Did they dyno the motor ? Blow by is only caused by one thing, combustion pressure leaking into the crankcase. I'd be a bit less understanding with the assumed $$ involved. I'm smelling Even my Cummins built motor didn't have blowby or leaks. The first two did flatten the cams but they were promptly repalced and i was well compensated
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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body
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01/25/23 11:09 PM
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Yes, the motor was dynoed and they claimed that it didn't leak while it was running, however within the first minute of running after reinstalling the engine, there was a puddle of oil on the floor. I'm not sure if something is machined wrong with the block or if it is still blowby that is causing the leak. I unfortunately had to accept my loss in getting it fixed by them and eat the Bill. I'm just trying to keep moving forward and get it straightened out so that I can enjoy the car.. That's still my main issue to fix once I get the motor to sit correctly and the clearance issues solved.
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1973 Cuda 528 all aluminum Hemi, 4 speed, 3.23 Sure-Grip,
(JA5) Silver Frost Metallic
1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body
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01/26/23 11:05 AM
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I had some luck with a Graph Tite rope seal, was not 100% leak free but was 99.8%.
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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body
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01/26/23 02:00 PM
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I'm not sure if something is machined wrong with the block or if it is still blowby that is causing the leak. There might be , I remember back around the time we did the Enginemasters challenge that Dan (member PerformanceOnly) was telling me about a rear main seal leak he had on one of his customers build , it was a member here I think, that ended up being the rear main seal bore or cap being slightly off set in the block ... the only way to see it was to have the crank out though .
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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body
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01/26/23 05:41 PM
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It's been a problem since the first 50 miles of driving and is still ongoing. I was only answering a members question in this post about what issues I've had with the engine. I said I would PM anyone if they were that interested in the issues I've had because I didn't want to change the topic of the valve cover clearance issues and also, I'm not the type of person to go bad mouthing someone online. I can send you a private message about that if you care to know more. Thanks for everybody's help so far, I appreciate it.
1973 Cuda 528 all aluminum Hemi, 4 speed, 3.23 Sure-Grip,
(JA5) Silver Frost Metallic
1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body
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Are the any alignment issues involved with the drive train when installing the spacers on the mounts?
1973 Cuda 528 all aluminum Hemi, 4 speed, 3.23 Sure-Grip,
(JA5) Silver Frost Metallic
1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body
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I ended up installing a 1/4" thick shim on the passenger side mount as recommended and the valve cover no longer hits the inner fender or blower motor. However the drivers side is still not even close to fitting. I went to install the manual steering box and the drivers side still has about a 3/4" gap between the mount and the k member but it can't drop down any further because the header tube is not even close to clearing the steering box. TTI claims they fit both power and manual steering cars and these headers won't even come close to clearing the tiny manual box. I'm not sure if it's defective engine mounts or the headers, however on thing I am convinced is that all of these companies charging top dollar for their products are putting out complete junk products. Of course I can return any of these parts either, more money that I have to eat.
1973 Cuda 528 all aluminum Hemi, 4 speed, 3.23 Sure-Grip,
(JA5) Silver Frost Metallic
1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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Re: Hemi ray barton valve covers in e body
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02/21/23 12:34 AM
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The steering box hits the header both with the shim and without.
1973 Cuda 528 all aluminum Hemi, 4 speed, 3.23 Sure-Grip,
(JA5) Silver Frost Metallic
1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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